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« Reply #75 on: Apr 27th, 2011, 05:10am »

on Apr 26th, 2011, 4:37pm, SeraphTC wrote:
I'm slightly confused as to how Robin #1 fits in as part of the KnightQuest storyline? It seems to have been written in 1991, whilst KQ was 1993 I believe?

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I think I realised my mistake. I guess the one I found was from Robin Vol 1, and I need to find Robin Vol 2 Issue 1.

Is this the issue 1 included in Flying Solo?


http://thedcu.net/robin/index.html
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« Reply #76 on: Apr 27th, 2011, 05:19am »

wow....I guess I really need to explore those continuity pages!

However, having said that...I'm even more confused by the 'Robin' page...

Unless the 'Robin 1-6' in Flying Solo is the start of..er... a 'Robin (III)' series?

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« Reply #77 on: Apr 27th, 2011, 09:46am »

No, there was a Robin III series that was never collected in any TPB, as far as I know. It takes place shortly before Knightfall.

Here's all the Robin stuff:

Robin (5-part mini-series; 1991; collected in "A Hero Reborn" along with Batman #445-447)

Robin II (4-part mini-series; 1991; collected in "Tragedy & Triumph" along with Detective Comics #618-621)

Robin III: Cry of the Huntress (6-part mini-series; 1992/1993; never collected in a TPB)

Robin (ongoing series starting in 1993; first 6 issues collected in "Flying Solo" along with Showcase '94 #6-7)

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« Reply #78 on: Apr 27th, 2011, 09:52am »

Nicely explained! Thanks!

Is Robin III worth picking up?
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« Reply #79 on: Apr 27th, 2011, 10:01am »

I think it's pretty good. If I remember correctly, it's more about Huntress than Robin.
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« Reply #80 on: Apr 27th, 2011, 4:04pm »

on Apr 27th, 2011, 10:01am, TurkeyMoose wrote:
I think it's pretty good. If I remember correctly, it's more about Huntress than Robin.


I think it also crosses over with one of the Showcase series. 92 IIRC.
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« Reply #81 on: Apr 27th, 2011, 5:17pm »

on Apr 27th, 2011, 01:27am, Nick wrote:
I like to think of Year One as the start of his life, rather than some cosmic reboot where he's starting all over again repeating the same old stuff. For that reason I disregard Pre-Crisis stuff. As such Batman's hallacinations of such things I put down to his innate insanity pushed even more overboard by Darkseid and Dr Hurt.


I don't want to turn this thread into another big debate about continuity and the role of the Crisis and all that, but I did just want to address this real quick.

First of all, I mostly agree with you. But there's two ways of looking at continuity. We can look at it from the outside looking in, as readers, or we can look at it from the perspective of the characters living in the universe.

The way I see it, the Crisis actually did happen in post-Crisis continuity. The characters do remember it. Their post-Crisis minds may not remember it exactly the way it was told in the story since it changed history and they did not remember there ever being a multiverse, but there still was a major Crisis involving the Anti-Monitor trying to destroy the universe and Barry Allen died and blah blah blah.

So with that said, a term like "pre-Crisis" can mean two different things. It can mean a story that came out before the Crisis came out, or it can mean a story that takes place chronologically before the Crisis occurred in continuity. In that sense, Batman: Year One is pre-Crisis. It was written after the Crisis and is essentially a "post-Crisis" story, but chronologically it occurs before the Crisis occurs.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I agree that Batman: Year One is the "beginning" of the story and not something to be read after the pre-Crisis stuff.

The way I look at it, the really old stuff from like the 1940s and 1950s is just too old to have really happened, so I accept that the Crisis erased that stuff. But the more recent pre-Crisis stuff that came out within the 15 years prior to the Crisis can still be a relevant part of continuity and some of it is even referenced in the opening of the Nightwing: Year One TPB on the "Brief History of Dick Grayson" page. The only major thing between 1970 and 1985 that was definitely erased from Batman continuity is the pre-Crisis origin of Jason Todd.

The way I construct my continuity shelf is start with all the post-Crisis "prequel" stuff, like Batman: Year One, Long Halloween, all the countless other stuff up to Batgirl: Year One. That pretty much concludes the "early days". In essence, all that stuff replaces the outdated '40s and '50s stuff. After that, I move on to the still-relevant 1970s stuff and just keep going chronologically from there (skipping the pre-Crisis Jason Todd stuff in the early '80s).

As much as I like Grant Morrison, I'm not too happy with him bringing all that older stuff back into continuity, particularly the original Batwoman. That just adds another layer of confusion to everything. rolleyes
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« Reply #82 on: Apr 28th, 2011, 06:13am »

That's good advice guys - thank you.

I think what I'm doing is *mostly* ignoring anything written prior to Batman: Year One. I'm treating that as my starting point for "my" continuity.

I'll probably pick up 'Tales of the Demon' and put it in my 'Elseworlds' section for reference.

I think this month I'm going to try and take myself up to 'No Man's Land 5' and stop there and wait for everything to arrive, then have a massive reading session right from Year One.

Once I'm up to date I can then start trying to fill in any blanks before moving on to link up 'No Man's Land' with Hush.

I'm pretty sure I've updated my list on Page 3 of this thread with everything I'm trying to buy. It's becoming a bit of a monster!! (Please bare in mind that when I started this thread a few weeks ago, I owned about 6x books.....)
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« Reply #83 on: Apr 28th, 2011, 7:06pm »

Ok...

So as I said earlier, I think the list is now pretty up to date in terms of what I have and have ordered:

http://thebatsquad.conforums3.com/index.cgi?board=batetc&num=1302614434&action=display&start=30

Am I missing anything crucial up until the end of 'No Man's Land 5'? I'm treating that as a temporary stop point. Once I've got all the essential stuff covered up to that point, I'll stop buying and wait for it to arrive.

I've got a pretty long reading session planned!! cheesy
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« Reply #84 on: Apr 28th, 2011, 9:24pm »

Your list looks pretty solid. Just a few things to point out:

First and most importantly, you have Nightwing: Year One placed before Batgirl: Year One. That's a big no no. Nightwing: Year One happens years after Batgirl: Year One. The four books in that area should go:

Batgirl: Year One
Batman: Batgirl
Nightwing: Year One
Huntress: Year One

A few other books that happen around this time that I think are pretty good that you might be interested in picking up are "Ten Nights of the Beast", which I would put right before Huntress: Year One; "The Many Deaths of the Batman", and "Blind Justice", both of which would go right after A Death in the Family. But keep in mind that these are not particularly necessary; I just think they're pretty good and they fill in some of the timeline around this era. They were important enough to be collected in TPBs, if that means anything.

Also, I just realized you don't have "Vengeance of Bane". This happens shortly before Knightfall (I'd put it right after Sword of Azrael) and introduces the character of Bane and gives his whole backstory. There was also a "Vengeance of Bane II" that would ideally go right after Troika on your list, but that is less important.

The only other stuff and I can think to fill in between Legacy and Cataclysm would be the Nightwing stuff. I don't know how interested your are in expanding into that, but you would just need "A Knight In Bludhaven", "Rough Justice", and "Nightwing/Huntress". Furthermore, "Love and Bullets" takes place after Cataclysm, right in the midst of all the Aftershock stuff. Then I have "A Darker Shade of Justice" placed in between No Man's Land 3 and 4. That would conclude all the Nightwing stuff up to your temporary stop point and you could go for the rest when you're ready to start gathering the post-No Man's Land stuff.

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« Reply #85 on: Apr 29th, 2011, 01:12am »

on Apr 28th, 2011, 9:24pm, TurkeyMoose wrote:
"The Many Deaths of the Batman"


The first part of that is AMAZING

on Apr 28th, 2011, 9:24pm, TurkeyMoose wrote:
The only other stuff and I can think to fill in between Legacy and Cataclysm would be the Nightwing stuff.


Also amazing.
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The only important thing I can think to add is between A Darker Shade of Justice and No Man's Land 4, I have Batman: Harley Quinn by Paul Dini (with a beautiful Alex Ross cover) from 1999 which was her official introduction into the Comic Continuity - it's useful if you want her backstory and to understand her friendship with Poison Ivy better. cheesy

I have a tonne of hilarious and unimportant material between Legacy and Cataclysm such as the riot that is Batman: Dreamland... Such things are probably best left until you have the main stuff down though. wink
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« Reply #86 on: May 4th, 2011, 06:47am »

I've ordered copies of 'Vengeance of Bane', 'Vengeance of Bane II', 'Batman: Bane', 'Nightwing: Knight In Bludhaven' and 'Nightwing: Huntress'.

I'm still trying to locate copies of 'Harley Quinn' and 'Nightwing: Rough Justice'.
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« Reply #87 on: May 7th, 2011, 6:01pm »

Looks like Tales Of The Demon just got a whole lot more important for you. Yeah, all that Batwoman stuff I was saying about how she just doesn't fit in modern Continuity; well Grant Morrison has shoved her right back in there and he's running with it. So having this book for some minor background info on her Pre-Crisis death will may help you out when you get to the end of the line with the most recent of DC publications - Which, by the way, you're in for a real treat when you get to Grant Morrison's 2006-2012(and beyond?) epic!
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« Reply #88 on: May 10th, 2011, 4:59pm »

I'll be picking 'Tales...' up soonish I imagine smiley

Are 'Penguin: Triumphant' or 'Catwoman: Catfile' any good?
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« Reply #89 on: May 11th, 2011, 6:35pm »

I've taken a look at your recommendations and updated my list on page 3 accordingly smiley

Thanks guys - I really can't wait to get stuck into this!!
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