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« Reply #15 on: Jan 5th, 2007, 12:26am »

Thanks for posting that, Dirk. It had been so long that I completely forgot that I asked you to post these things... No HoM, though? I guess it's old news now. I'm glad you posted what you did.

I think Psylocke definitely shouldn't have died to begin with in the way she did die. It seemed pointless and stupid. Finally, I actually feel glad a character was resurrected (I'll never get over the Colossus thing). Aside from that nothing really seems significant, though.

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 5th, 2007, 03:55am »

This is all the time I have during this holiday -- I'll be back studying by Monday. When I see the time, I'll continue reading the X-books. I'm several months away from House of M and Decimation, so when I've got through those, I'll write those reviews/summaries.

I've read that when Psylocke died in X-treme X-Men, Claremont always had in mind that she would come back. Unfortunately, the 'dead is dead' rule was in power at MArvel at that time and that was the monkeywrench in Claremont's program.

You'll never get over the Colossus thing? What do you mean with that? How he died or that he returned from the dead?
I personally thought his death was good, significant, and motivated, unlike most other comicbook deaths. I did not like that he sacrificed himself to cure a disease that threatened an entire race (and, no to forget, was a long running story and was getting repetitive and boring), only to turn out to be alive after all.
I think writers should respect other writers' decisions and play and create with the stuff at hand. It really pisses me off to notice a writer needs a certain character to make a story work, and then just revives a dead character. A. Dead. Character.

That eBay thing was no joke. Unfortunately, the joke is on us, the readers...
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 5th, 2007, 04:19am »

on Jan 5th, 2007, 03:55am, TheMidnighter wrote:
I did not like that he sacrificed himself to cure a disease that threatened an entire race (and, no to forget, was a long running story and was getting repetitive and boring), only to turn out to be alive after all.


That's what I'll never get over. Colossus' death was one of the most respected deaths in comic book history, IMO, and bringing him back is very stupid even if you only consider the fact that it erases the significance of his sacrifice. Colossus could have represented something for years to come. I would say that his death was way more important than that of Jason Todd in the Bat-Books. Jason Todd wasn't a sacrifice. It was a character the fans hated being eliminated. Colossus people loved and, frankly, his dying to make a sacrifice for everyone else (and to stop a disease that killed his sister) represented what the character was all along. He didn't belong in any of the categories in the X-Books. He wasn't an "evil" mutant. He was a good man but he wasn't exactly one of Xavier's strict followers (he joined Magneto at a point) and the reason for his splintering away from Xavier was the Legacy Virus killing his Illyana.

His character, however, is commonly thought of as a lunkhead when he was one of the most strong-willed X-Men of all. But he never got recognition for that by many writers. Until he sacrificed himself for everyone else. And that was eventually erased by another writer who didn't see what it meant for Colossus to have killed himself to save the world and, in some way (at least for Colossus), save his sister.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 9th, 2007, 08:02am »

Agreed.
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 8th, 2007, 11:59pm »

It has been a while, but I've been reading X-Men titles again -- it's summer holiday so I have the time again. (The summer holiday is my time to read up on comics for not having read in almost a year...)

First up is the title Uncanny X-Men. Part of my reading has been the end of Claremont's run but frankly, let's not waste breath on that one. It was enjoyable at best, but nothing I feel like reviewing.
Then Ed Brubaker, Billy Tan and Clayton Henry came on board to start The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire, a 12 issue arc, in the title Uncanny X-Men, and Mike Carey, Chris Bachalo and Humberto Ramos took over X-Men. But seeing as the Shi'ar arc builds on the X-Men: Deadly Genesis mini, let's first spoil that one for you all.

Yes, spoilers ahead.

X-Men: Deadly Genesis by Ed Brubaker and Trevor Hairsine.
House of M ended when Wanda uttered the words 'no more mutants.' Due to the efforts of several heroes, 198 mutants were unaffected but, despite those same efforts, the rest of the mutant population lost their mutant powers. The change was genetic: the mutant genome was gone; genetically, they were not homo superior, but homo sapien. But energy cannot be destroyed, it just transfers from one state to another, so where did all this energy go? At the end of House of M, we see a big cloud of pink'ish stuff floating.

That is where Deadly Genesis starts. The energy floats through a huge rock. Inside that rock, somebody wakes up. The person crash lands on Earth and Cyclops, Wolverine and Marvel Girl (Rachel Grey) go check it out. Having arrived there, Marvel Girl is immediatly taken out by someone who can manipulate energy, and Cyclops and Wolverine fall soon after. The attacker seems to know Cyclops, but the reverse is not the case.
Meanwhile, Sean Cassidy (Banshee) discovers some files of the late Moira MacTaggert, in which she says that Charles Xavier is a total and utter bastard, and then -not yet for the reader to see- she explains why.

Whilst Wolverine is found by the X-Men and taken home, Cyclops and Marvel Girl are held captive by their attacker, who informs them they are being held here for punishment. The attacker wishes to punish them, but someone else even more.
Sean has decided to bring the newly-discovered tapes of Moira to the X-Men. He's on a plane because he wants to deliver the files personally. Unfortunately, the attacker is listening in (using the X-Men's stolen Blackbird) and goes to intercept Sean's plane, in mid-air. Sean jumps out of the plane to stop the Blackbird, but to no avail. Wolverine and Nightcrawler arrive just in time to see the Blackbird first collide with Sean and after that with a public plane.

The attacker digs into Marvel Girl's mind, trying to find something. She thinks it's something about Professor Xavier. While he was in her mind, she got a little in his and, although it does not make any sense, she says the attacker has an old mindlink with Xavier -- they trained together.
Wolverine and Nightcrawler find Sean's body, but also find what he protected with his life to bring to the X-Men: Moira's files. Moira says that Xavier, when his X-Men were captive, came for her students, and he got them all killed.

It all started when Xavier's original five X-Men were on Krakoa Island and they all got trapped by it. All five X-Men were trapped. (This should not wash with most X-readers, for we all know that Scott was not trapped - he made it back to Xavier and fell unconscious for a while. In this time, Xavier rounded up the new X-Men of Collosus, Nightcrawler, Storm and Wolverine.)
So, all X-Men were on Krakoa Island and Xavier is asking Moira for her students because they have to help Xavier to help the X-Men. It turns out Moira had her own four mutant students to train. There was Sway, a girl who could control time. The geo-morph Petra, who could manipulate the ground. There was Darwin, the evolving boy who has the mutation of reactive evolution (meaning that in whatever situation is or whichever harm comes his way, he adapts). And finally there was Vulcan, an energy manipulator with a lot of potential. When asked if they would be willing to help the X-Men, all four brave youngsters reply they are. Xavier gives them a crash-course training in compressed time (so that it feels as if months have passed while it's only days). When they were ready, they were send to Krakoa Island.
In the mean time, Marvel Girl and Cyclops find themselves awake. Their attacker has difficulty controlling his power, Rachel says, because he did not use to be as powerful as he is now -which is passed omega level, the highest- but it is unclear what made him so powerful. Rachel also informs Scott that their attacker used to think he was in the X-Men. When escaped to topside, they find they are at the Muir-MacTaggert research facility that Moira had. It's a few miles from Xavier Mansion. Scott remembers going there once, knows he's been there twice but cannot remember the second time. Then, their attacker returns and tells them: Scott does not remember his long-lost brother because Xavier did not want him to remember that they got off the island, leaving Vulcan and his friends for dead.

Scott does not believe it - after all, the island let him go to search for other mutants to drain their power. (It's all there in the old Giant Size X-Men #1.) Vulcan, however, is saying that is not at all what happened but just what Xavier wanted everyone to remember. Rachel escapes to the X-Mansion for help, but Vulcan says he let her, to bring the audience. Vulcan wanted to find Xavier, but now -thanks to all the destruction Vulcan has caused- Xavier will come to him. Scott and Vulcan go to Muir Island where Xavier also arrives, on foot. Vulcan and Xavier apparantly know each other. The other X-Men arrive, and Vulcan threatens to kill Xavier if he does not show them the truth with his telepathy. Xavier cannot do this, because after the events of House of M's M-Day, he is no longer a mutant.

Vulcan makes Marvel Girl do it, instead. Everyone is shown what happened. Moira's four students go to Krakoa Island and rescue Scott, then take him back to the plane. They tell them they've been training for months (which was only days) and Vulcan tells Scott he is his brother. Havok (Alex Summers, Scott's -and Vulcan's- brother) does not believe Scott and himself would forget a brother being with them their whole lives, seeing as Vulcan isn't even a year younger than Alex. Then, Xavier says Vulcan was not with them, because he is not from Earth.
When Corsair Summers, their father, was held captive by the Shi'ar and the dictator D'Ken, Corsair tried to assassinate D'Ken. It failed, and D'Ken slew Corsair's pregnant wife, and took the baby from her womb. The baby was artifically grown to a child to become a slave of the Shi'ar on Earth. After that, Vulcan came to be found by Moira.
When the four kids had returned Scott to the plane, they went back to get the other X-Men. But they did not realize their powers were already drained off a significant amount by the island, so they were slaughtered. Scott saw it happen, went back to Xavier's, told Xavier what happened, and fell into a deep rest. During that rest, Xavier decided Scott did not need to know his brother died and made him forget. After this point, the stuff from Giant Size X-Men #1 happen (but Xavier did alter the perceptions of all present there to make them think the island was talking to them, when the island actually was just making a sound).
Why is Vulcan not dead, then? Rachel found that Darwin is the cause of that. When Sway was killed, the release of her mutant powers slowed time all around, whilst Petra's instinctive reaction at being burned was to make the ground swallow them all. In a cavern they were, with only Vulcan and Darwin alive. Darwin, as a reaction, converted himself to pure energy and bonded with Vulcan. When Krakoa Island was catapulted into space, they were as well. And they stayed there, until the energy of all mutants -free after M-Day- drifted by them, awakening Vulcan and raising his power levels to omega. Rachel then separates Darwin, who now exists of pure energy, from Vulcan. The X-Men attack, but Vulcan leaves them and shoots into space.

Weeks later, Darwin is contructing a body for himself, Xavier wants to apologize to Scott but is rejected from the X-Mansion, and we see Vulcan shooting through space with images in his mind of his mother being killed, and the evil D'Ken.

Verdict
Phew, that was long. But I do it all for midL. This mini was cool and, although it does alter the good history a bit, it is an interesting development. Xavier was young, made mistakes, and got corrupted by his power (at least, 'corrupt' is how I see it). Plus, we finally know the deal about the long-lost third Summers' brother, and it has not been a let-down (which I always figured it would be).
Later, I'll write about the Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire but am now not up for it.

So, very cool story.
8/10.
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« Reply #20 on: Jul 15th, 2007, 04:49am »

I have read a lot of X-related stuff, the last couple of days.

Uncanny X-Men 475-486: The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire.

This storyarc is from the hands of Ed Brubaker and Billy Tan (with additional art by Henry Clayton) and is the aftermath of Deadly Genesis. Vulcan is on his way to the Shi'ar Empire with revenge on his mind - he wants revenge on the Shi'ar emperor D'Ken for killing his mother. Little does Vulcan know that D'Ken is in a comatose state -not to mention his completely incoherent mindstate after being thrown into the M'Kraan Crystal- and thus, Vulcan might miss his chance for revenge.

Xavier, Warpath, Nightcrawler, Marvel Girl, Polaris and Darwin (from Deadly Genesis) follow Vulcan to Shi'ar space, encountering obstacles on the way.
Vulcan meets Deathbird (Lilandra Neramani's sister, stripped from her royal credentials) and they fall in love. Vulcan finds D'Ken and does not want to avenge his mother's death on a comatose person. Furthermore, Deathbird quells his want for revenge. Vulcan can, however, get D'Ken out of his comatose state, and does so. D'Ken asks Vulcan to be part of the Shi'ar empire he is trying to build (by overthrowing Lilandra). To become part of the Shi'ar royal family, Vulcan and Deathbird will marry.

D'Ken plans for the now captured Xavier to be destroyed by being thrown into the M'Kraan Crystal; all this as a part of the wedding ceramony. But in the meantime, Lilandra and the X-Men have formed an army to oppose D'Ken and his followers. As both sides fight, D'Ken casts Xavier into the M'Kraan Crystal, but is followed (and rescued) by the adaptive Darwin. Vulcan kills both Corsair Summers (his own and Scott and Alex' father) and D'Ken, then crowns himself emperor of the Shi'ar empire. Nightcrawler, Warpath, Darwin and Professor X as well as Hepzibah from the Starjammers are automatically flown back to Earth, whilst the rest of the team (Rachel, Havok, Polaris) decides to help Lilandra in her fight for the Shi'ar empire, seeing as they have no way to go home anyway.

Verdict
Very cool story. I like this roster (both the creative roster and the characters they handle) and like the arc. With a 12 parter, I'm always dreading that it will become a spun-out story that could have easily be told in a couple of issues less, but this arc doesn't feel that way at all. The story is told very nice (with two parts being dedicated to the X-Men, a third part being dedicated to Vulcan, and on and on like this) and it is cool to see some lasting changes.
8+/10

X-Men 188-199
This set of comics encompasses three arcs, the first being a six-parter, the other two are both three-parters. Mike Carey is the writer of the X-Men title, with art alternating between Chris Bachalo and Humberto Ramos. After the quite disappointing run of writer Peter Milligan (he's a good writer, but he tried to shake up the X-Universe a bit too much with really extravagant ideas), Mike Carey has brought real glory back to this title -- with Brubaker on Uncanny X-Men and Carey on X-Men, I'm a happy fan.

The first arc is called Supernovas and deals with Rogue forming an X-Striketeam, as it were: a group of X-Men that do not have to stay at the mansion but can react to threats all over the globe. Rogue will be in charge and can pick any team she wants. After a couple of issues, the team consists of herself, Cannonball, Iceman, Mystique, Lady Mastermind, Cable, Omega Sentinel (Karima Shapandar) and Sabretooth.
The first problem Rogue's team faces, are a group of highly evolved homo sapiens (so calling them sapiens might not be correct). They were kept away in an environment with accelerated time, and were released after M-Day. This group consist of five people, but many more remain. The group wants to take over the world as humans and mutants (especially with their drastically decreased number after M-Day) are rendered obsolete, in their eyes.

These five super sapiens acquire Northstar from a SHIELD facility. Northstar is send to get his sister Aurora (who almost committed suicide, due to her psychiatric problems), they fix her mind, and set the two loose on the X-Mansion, setting Iceman on fire and evaporating him. The X-Men battle Northstar and Aurora, whilst Mystique helps Iceman to reform his body.
The team learns that this group is called the Children of the Vault. Rogue's X-team goes to these Children and engage them in battle. The Children, however, take the fight to the X-Mansion and wish to kill everyone present. The X-Men battle them of course, and win. Many Children of the Vault have died, but some, unknown to the X-Men, have survived and will become a threat in the future.

Next arc: Primary Infection. This arc deals with Doctor Palance, a doctor that -as it turns out- wishes to inject himself with genomes from every mutant he can find, so that he will become an extremely strong being. This is what the institute was for we encountered in X-Men 188 - it was a place to acquire mutant genome. Palance experiments with putting the genome into humans, to see how he can make it work for himself. Palance kidnaps Rogue to inject her with a virus, but the X-Men come to her aid. Palance actually absorbs Sabretooth's mutantpowers too, including his healing factor -- this strips him of all the other mutant powers he acquired, allowing the X-Men to take him down.
But still, Rogue is infected and dying.

The final arc (of the ones I'm reviewing) is Condition Critical, where the X-Men have to team up with a Mummudrai seeking their help(!) to battle a monstruous manifestation of billions of killed souls called Hecatomb. These souls were destroyed by a new type of bomb made by the Shi'ar and collected by it. Instead of being destroyed, they formed into this monster that no travelled the universe to eat more and more souls.
To battle this Hecatomb, Cable bonds with the Mummudrai. To no avail. In a last ditch attempt, Cable wakes Rogue from her unconscious state to help in the battle. Rogue absorbs all souls, allowing Iceman to freeze the device within Hecatomb which Cannonball and Omega Sentinel then shatter. But now Rogue has a screwed-up state of mind with all those souls in her.

Verdict
Carey's X-book is the best. It has the coolest X-team, the best art, and the most interesting and intelligent stories. I really love it and cannot wait what is in store for these characters. Bring on X-Men #200.
9/10
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 02:41am »

Thanks for all of this Mid.

In regards to Deadly Genesis: This Vulcan seems like an annoying character. I don't think I'd like him very much. First he wants revenge against Xavier and attacks Cyclops, Wolverine and Marvel Girl (why?). When the X-Men eventually thwart him he runs away. Not very commited to his revenge, is he?

Additionally, is Banshee dead? WTF? That's kinda a really stupid way to kill Banshee. Was the killing a long running significant character the only way of "impressing" us with Vulcan? It just soured me on him is what it did. Additionally, why did he kill him? Banshee was going to go tell the X-Men that Moira had let her team, including Vulcan, go to Krakoa to save the original X-Men. Now, he kills Banshee for trying to tell them about it but later on tells the X-Men about it and threatens to kill Xavier if Xavier doesn't tell them. What did Banshee deserve to die for? What's driving the Vulcan guy to be just a pointless prick?

The Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire

Okay, this is a bit confusing. Vulcan (who, btw, officially solidifies himself as a pest of a character that I wish wasn't created in this arc) goes to get revenge against D'Ken and falls in love with Deathbird (how soon did that happen? Was there any development?). He sees D'Ken camatose and doesn't want revenge. Fine. I can get that. But why does he revive him? What was the point of that? Why not leave him camatose? Additionally, why revive him to kill him? This Vulcan guy is really freakin' conflicted...

Did he end up marrying Deathbird?

Finally, why in the blue hell did Vulcan kill Corsair? What is going on with this kid? Does he have to go around killing established X-Characters left and right with no real point?

After all this crap about vengeance on this guy or that guy for what he did to me Vulcan just wanted to be Shiar Emperor? On the subject of that: Did Lilandra's army get beat? I don't understand how he can become emperor without killing the current empress. How'd that happen? Did he just put the crown on and people bowed before him?

X-Men 188-199

All of this stuff sounds like a good read. My only problem is the fact that it sounds completely rediculous that Sabretooth and Mystique are X-Men.

Sabretooth is a known killer. He was a serial killer known as "The Slasher," he killed Silver Fox, he tried to kill Boomer, he tried to kill Psylocke, he tried to kill Black Cat, he almost single-handedly killed the entire X-Factor team, he raped Silver Fox, etc.. Why would the X-Men have him as a team member? Why would he not be incarcerated?

Mystique recently stabbed Banshee in the throat (it's the reason he wasn't able to scream as well as he could've against Vulcan's little stunt with the Blackbird) in addition to infiltrating the X-Men as Foxx to manipulate Gambit into sleeping with her so that she could get Rogue to be with Pulse. She's also a known murderer. She killed Quiet Man, she killed Moira McTaggert, she tried to kill Legion and she tried to kill Robert Kelly (at least twice) and she stabbed Rogue in the stomach (luckily Rogue had absorbed Wolverine's healing powers).

It's a just a teensy bit absurd that either of these two would be allowed to join any X-Group.
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 05:46am »

I was really skipping big parts with my 'summaries' above so the actual stories are more coherent and (a lot) better than my thumbed-down versions.

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In regards to Deadly Genesis: This Vulcan seems like an annoying character. I don't think I'd like him very much. First he wants revenge against Xavier and attacks Cyclops, Wolverine and Marvel Girl (why?). When the X-Men eventually thwart him he runs away. Not very commited to his revenge, is he?
He wanted to draw out Xavier. At first he tried to find him using Marvel Girl, but then could not because the X-Men did not know where Xavier was as well (they have lost sight of him after M-Day). So when that fails, he's taking the fight more into public, trying to draw out Xavier. There is a rational behind it, I just didn't reflect it that well.

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Additionally, is Banshee dead? WTF? That's kinda a really stupid way to kill Banshee. Was the killing a long running significant character the only way of "impressing" us with Vulcan? It just soured me on him is what it did. Additionally, why did he kill him? Banshee was going to go tell the X-Men that Moira had let her team, including Vulcan, go to Krakoa to save the original X-Men. Now, he kills Banshee for trying to tell them about it but later on tells the X-Men about it and threatens to kill Xavier if Xavier doesn't tell them. What did Banshee deserve to die for? What's driving the Vulcan guy to be just a pointless prick?
Same resons as above, I guess. He just wanted to find Xavier himself, not knowing Xavier wasn't at the X-Mansion, or not even to be found.

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The Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire

Okay, this is a bit confusing. Vulcan (who, btw, officially solidifies himself as a pest of a character that I wish wasn't created in this arc) goes to get revenge against D'Ken and falls in love with Deathbird (how soon did that happen? Was there any development?). He sees D'Ken camatose and doesn't want revenge. Fine. I can get that. But why does he revive him? What was the point of that? Why not leave him camatose? Additionally, why revive him to kill him? This Vulcan guy is really freakin' conflicted...
He did marry Deathbird. The falling in love was a weak aspect because there was a development inside the book, but not for the reader who is outside it. It was more like seeing a caption "after a few months, we were drawn together more and more..." so there is your development inside the book; but it happened on something like page 3, by what time this reader isn't accustomed to it yet.
Reviving D'Ken was the wish of Deathbird, and he had his mind on killing him anyway, but then not from the back or not in a coma.

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Did he end up marrying Deathbird?
Yes, just before killing D'Ken. So now he is royal and emperor.

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Finally, why in the blue hell did Vulcan kill Corsair? What is going on with this kid? Does he have to go around killing established X-Characters left and right with no real point?
Corsair sided with the X-Men. Vulcan did not recognize him as his father because Corsair was weak in his eyes for not being able to protect his mother.

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After all this crap about vengeance on this guy or that guy for what he did to me Vulcan just wanted to be Shiar Emperor? On the subject of that: Did Lilandra's army get beat? I don't understand how he can become emperor without killing the current empress. How'd that happen? Did he just put the crown on and people bowed before him?
A lot of Shi'ar were still loyal to D'Ken and see his reign as the Shi'ar glory days of auld. When D'Ken was revived, a lot of Shi'ar revolted on D'Ken's command. When Vulcan killed D'Ken, those followers became his (they were in a fight with Lilandra's troops so I doubt they noticed Vulcan was the murderer of D'Ken).
Lilandra's and Vulcan's troops are still in conflict; no one got beat or won yet.

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All of this stuff sounds like a good read.
It is. My summaries are terrible. And you haven't even seen the art. I actually think it's Bachalo's better art.

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My only problem is the fact that it sounds completely rediculous that Sabretooth and Mystique are X-Men.

Sabretooth is a known killer. He was a serial killer known as "The Slasher," he killed Silver Fox, he tried to kill Boomer, he tried to kill Psylocke, he tried to kill Black Cat, he almost single-handedly killed the entire X-Factor team, he raped Silver Fox, etc.. Why would the X-Men have him as a team member? Why would he not be incarcerated?
Sabretooth was the only one who knew about the Children of the Vault. Their existance was unknow to a lot of people, among those the X-Men. They wanted to kill Creed for it. Creed went to the X-Men in search for Xavier (but he does not have his powers anymore) but goes alongside Rogue's team because Rogue (I belive) wants it that way.

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Mystique recently stabbed Banshee in the throat (it's the reason he wasn't able to scream as well as he could've against Vulcan's little stunt with the Blackbird) in addition to infiltrating the X-Men as Foxx to manipulate Gambit into sleeping with her so that she could get Rogue to be with Pulse. She's also a known murderer. She killed Quiet Man, she killed Moira McTaggert, she tried to kill Legion and she tried to kill Robert Kelly (at least twice) and she stabbed Rogue in the stomach (luckily Rogue had absorbed Wolverine's healing powers).

It's a just a teensy bit absurd that either of these two would be allowed to join any X-Group.
Good points and, yes, she did do all that. The fact is that Mystique was recently (in Milligan's run) voted in the X-Men when she asked (in the Bizarre Love Triangle arc, actually) and they held up on that vote. Rogue then decided to have Mystique on her own team, so that she can keep an eye on her because doesn't trust Mystique for as far as she can throw her (figuratively speaking, of course).
I skipped a lot of build-up and logic thought processes in my summaries and only went on to the outcomes. It 'reads' rather dull, but the actual stories fit together better than I was letting on.
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« Reply #23 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 1:21pm »

Mid, I don't want you to believe that your summaries are in any way flawed. I actually looked up other summaries of the storylines after reading yours and I think all you left out was the fact that the M'Kraan crystal gave Xavier his powers back. Actually, I'd say your summaries are quite superior to all of the summaries I found online.

Upon your further explaining the stories in your past post, my opinions of the stories haven't changed much. The Sabretooth thing was sort of a symbiotic kinda thing and I can see how they needed him and he needed them. The Mystique thing is completely rediculous... They cannot convince me that enough X-Men are moronic enough to vote her in the team. I don't care what she does. I'd be surprised if a single X-Man voted for her. I actually had read about the whole vote thing before I made my first post and what I said then I still feel.

My problem with Vulcan is that he has nothing really driving him. He is a flawed character in that he seems to have no purpose. As soon as he finds a purpose he changes his mind. Now he's in the middle of a Shiar war that he really had nothing to do with to begin with. Does Deathbird know that he killed her brother? That might be another flaw since she convinced him to revive D'Ken... Unless she only wanted to revive him to control his troops/followers.

He has killed three big-time characters in two storylines and he didn't seem to even really care that much about killing one of them, couldn't make up his mind as to whether or not kill the second and really didn't have a reason to and actually had a reason not to kill the third. Didn't Corsair dedicate his life after his wife's death to trying to stop D'Ken? It's not like the guy willingly did what he did. He killed D'Ken for kidnapping his parents and he killed Corsair for getting kidnapped?

I don't see a real purpose for this character other than the revelation of a third Summers brother which, I guess, is supposed to be cool. I just wish somebody who knew how to write a character instead of somebody who knew how to write "cool" events had written the story.
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« Reply #24 on: Jul 16th, 2007, 10:47pm »

I believe Mystique was voted in due to the aftermath of M-Day: all mutants deserve asylum. That does not explain why she need to be on an actual X-team. I guess that is 'covered' -if you think it's plausible- by Rogue wanting to keep an eye on her.
But yeah, why? She came to the X-Men to get Rogue to hook up with the Pulse guy. Now that that's over, why would she want to stay? It's not like Mystique is not an adult -- she's older than most X-Men, actually -- so why would she need to be babysit?

I don't have as much of a problem with Vulcan as you do, it appears. As for killing Corsair: all Vulcan knows is that Corsair's attempt on the life of D'Ken was punished for by killing Corsair's wife - he knows nothing of the Starjammers and stuff. I would think Vulcan is kind of a hothead, plus, his powers are way beyond Omega due to the powerboost post-M-Day -- that would be enough to lose his marbles a bit.
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« Reply #25 on: Jul 27th, 2007, 5:11pm »

Warren Ellis and Simone Bianchi are taking over Astonishing X-Men after Whedon and Cassaday.

HELL YEAH!!
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« Reply #26 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 06:19am »

on Jul 27th, 2007, 5:11pm, TheMidnighter wrote:
Warren Ellis and Simone Bianchi are taking over Astonishing X-Men after Whedon and Cassaday.

HELL YEAH!!


After hearing this, I might not drop it after the current team leaves. It's one of my 3 Marvel titels (Powers, Ultimate X-Men).
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« Reply #27 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 1:34pm »

Three... That's not a lot. To each his own, like the immortal bard says (or was that me?)
I do believe they're changing the name -somewhat- to Astonishing X-Men: Second Charge, or something. Doesn't matter -- it'll be better than Whedon, I think.

I've been watching the X-Men Animated Series as of late and it kicks ass. I've been watching a lot of old series and I'm really digging it. I've finished the first season of the X-Men and I still see what I liked about it when I was a young comiclover.
Sentinels, Magneto, Apocalypse, Days of the Future Past, all remade for the kids, changing the stories so that there is something new for even X-Men know-all's, or know-a-lot's like me. Very cool.
One season down, four to go.
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« Reply #28 on: Jul 28th, 2007, 6:27pm »

Fucking awesome news this

I thought that hack Loeb or even worse Millar might be taking over

Instead we get man-god Warren Ellis cool

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So, I have started to read X-Men again. It's summer holiday. I have time.
I reread Deadly Genesis and The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire storylines (both described above).

Next, I followed up with two mini-series that deal with Vulcan's rule of the Shi'ar Empire and his opposition (former Shi'ar empress Lilandra with several stranded X-Men). The two mini's are X-Men Emperor Vulcan and X-Men: Kingbreaker. Both can be discussed together since they deal with the same story.

At the end of The Rise and fall of the Shi'ar Empire, Vulcan established himself as new ruler of the Shi'ar Empire. In the first mini, we learn that the people are not yet behind him -- he is new, killed former emperor (tyrant) D'Ken and made Lilandra an outlaw. His credibility takes the form of his newly wedded wife Deathbird.

The resistance include the Shi'ar Lilandra, General Ka'ardum and Korvus, wielder of the Phoenix Blade, the stranded X-Men Havok, Lilandra and Marvel Girl (Rachel Grey) and Starjammers Ch'od and Raza.

In Emperor Vulcan, a new race enters the bate ground that poses a threat for both parties. Thus, as is common in comics, both sides agree to a standstill in order to fight their common enemy. At the end of the fifth issue, not much has happened that has any impact: the common enemy is defeated and, just as Havok is about to kill Vulcan, Deathbird enters threatening to kill his teammates if he does not surrender.

Thus, at the end of this mini, Vulcan has gained acceptance from the Shi'ar for repelling the enemy race and he has several resistance members in captivity.
Five issues was just too long for this. It only provides a story we all know: a new enemy is introduced to tell (and stretch) a story that otherwise would have been nothing.

In Kingbreaker -- with four issues a better read -- the resistance members that were captured try to escape. Havok's escape is cool: his powers had been depleted by locking him away from any power source. But every time he receives his prison food, the side lets in some energy he can absorb.

Meanwhile, Vulcan expands the Shi'ar Empire by force, returning to the conquering days that the rule of Lilandra ended. Apparently, the cosmic side of the MArvel universe has undergone some changes: the Skrull are no major player anymore and the Inhumans now rule the Kree. Thus, the only two major cosmic players are the Shi'ar and the Kree.

To destroy the resistance to his rule, Vulcan finds the present Imperial Guard too lenient. He recruits other members from a Shi'ar prison holding some of the most violent creatures the Shi'ar have faced.

During this mini, the captured resistance members break free, reunite with the other members and, again, just as Havok has a chance to kill Vulcan, they need to leave. (If you want to keep a character alive, why don't writers think of another ending than this one?)

So, again, this mini really changes nothing. Sure, things happened but they are all side-stories. The basic set-up, after nine issues, is the same: Havok and the rest are on a mission to kill Vulcan, the new ruler of the Shi'ar Empire.

For two mini-series, leading into a new storyline -- War of Kings, dealing with the Shi'ar opposing the Kree (together with Havok & co) -- this lack of development sucks. I sure hope something gets done with these characters -- as it looks now, the story seems to drag on. Vulcan was a character with potential and a clear mission during Deadly Genesis, but all that has disappeared. I fear the character has a good chance of becoming one of comics' long list of lingering characters.
7/10, just worth my money (but I have an X-bias more than any other comic bias).
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