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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #150 on: Jan 4th, 2012, 7:28pm » |
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on Jan 3rd, 2012, 11:18pm, TheMidnighter wrote:
Oh how witty, because the New 52 is the shit that came tumbling out when Didio opened her box. 
My vain hope is that it adds credence to Snipe's theory that DC can use her to revert back to the decent Continuity. Get Pandora to stuff the New 52 back into the evil box from whence they came and we can carry on where we left off. I can't speak for Batwoman, but it seems all the other Batman characters can easily continue their lives from where we last saw them back in August 2011 and completely ignore the current deformed mutant inbred stepchild we currently have called the New 52.
However, judging by stated current sales and the usual boastful marketing speak, I suspect we are stuck with this dumbed down 'comics for idiots' DC are currently marketing.
Speaking of the New 52. Since they aren't so totally "new" anymore, what shall we start calling them?
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #151 on: Jan 4th, 2012, 8:02pm » |
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Any increase in sales is primarily because of the fact that they went digital at the same time they started The New 52. That's what everyone keeps forgetting. We'll never know if the actual reboot was a success or if it's just the fact that they went digital. They're going to play it up like the reboot was a success, but in fact, they might have been more successful if they'd went digital without changing the continuity.
They always taught us in science class that you should only change one variable in an experiment. If you change multiple variables in a single test, you won't know which variable is causing the different result. That's how this is. We don't know if the increase in sales is due to the new continuity or the fact that everything is now released digitally.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #152 on: Jan 4th, 2012, 8:25pm » |
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Very fair point.  . I have to say I completely forgot about digital sales because I only buy print myself.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #153 on: Jan 5th, 2012, 05:25am » |
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on Jan 4th, 2012, 7:28pm, Nick wrote:However, judging by stated current sales and the usual boastful marketing speak, I suspect we are stuck with this dumbed down 'comics for idiots' DC are currently marketing.
Speaking of the New 52. Since they aren't so totally "new" anymore, what shall we start calling them? |
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Yep, we're stuck with it. As long as Aquaman is selling like it is.
I suggest the "Boo! 52"
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #154 on: Jan 6th, 2012, 3:34pm » |
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I think things are beginning to even out (month 4): DC has 8 books in the top 10, but Marvel has better overall sales:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36301
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #155 on: Jan 6th, 2012, 11:46pm » |
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Marvel = No Reboot = Better sales? Ha.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/rood%2Dwayne%2Ddecember%2D2012%2Ddc%2Dcomics%2Dsales%2D120106.html
Detective and Batman are getting a page and price bump up to $3.99 each. "DC Comics, already forgetting the line we drew at $2.99!" But hey, if it puts a few cost conscious people off buying Tony Daniel's Detective then I'm all for it!
But Marvel have got to be feeling pretty satisfied if they're already outselling the Reboot in overall market share. And I'd imagine DC sales are still falling a bit each month as the novelty continues to wear off, so it will be interesting to see where DC's sales finally even off. I predict they will be near identical to what they were before. They'll have gained many new readers, and lost just as many. Thus making the whole thing pointless in the long term. But hey, all those #1s must have given them the short term cash boost they wanted.
Personally I hope the Reboot fails miserably and sales fall vastly beneath Pre%2DReboot sales, so by the end of the year and DC are forced to backtrack to try to win back their lost audience.
Me bitter? Never.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #156 on: Jan 7th, 2012, 07:00am » |
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I like the comics medium. I have read comics for many, many years. First I read Dutch translations when I was as young as four. Later, in my first year of high school (I was 12/13 at the time), I figured out/realised that they were actually made in the US and translated to Dutch by a Dutch publisher. I was glad to find a comic shop right in the town I lived in -- the only comic shop around for 171 kilometers (about 106 miles).
I started filling up the gaps of the gaps in the Dutch series with US issues and later I replaced the Dutch translations. I started with X-Men and Uncanny X-Men, expanded into other Marvel books, expanded into DC and then expanded into the smaller publishers and Vertigo as well. I have 'invested' (wasted) so much of my money in (on) comics, it's actually ridiculous.
I love the medium of comics, I really do. It's just that, as I have read and collected so many comics for so many years (probably 23 years now), you start to notice the repetition, the lack of ideas from some writers, the laziness of some artists and the short-sightedness of Marvel and DC Comics.
Superheroes are an awesome concept and their home are comics. Marvel and DC have the best superheroes available. It's just stupid decisions like (a) this reboot, (b) like Marvel's upcoming "X-Men vs Avengers" crossover, (c) the fact that DC needed a Crisis on Infinite Earths after a stellar 50 years but then also needed three Crises between 2004 and 2008, (d) Wolverine needing to be every-f'ing-where, (e) Batman, X-Men, Avengers and Spider-Man needing five (!!) monthly milkcow titles, (f) the sharp increase in price and (g) other shit that makes me want to quit buying the superhero titles that I love so much. I just do not feel that they offer enough creative stories and art to warrant my money. I'd much rather buy Vertigo trades and read those.
I think I suffer from something that 'event fatigue' is only a part of. I have Marvel & DC fatigue.
Sorry for the rant. I just need to get this off my mind. I do not mean ill-will towards the comic industry but I start to feel bland towards it. I have not been able to read the X-Men titles since they restarted their numbering but I'm contemplating dropping them based solely on their price point. It's just my first love -- I find it very difficult to let go. I needed some clarity.
Enfin, on the declining sales of DC Comics. No matter if the reboot was amazingly executed or the disaster it is now, sales would always decline. Not everyone trying out new comics would like them as well as the novelty and collectability being gone. Nothing surprising there. It just shows that the Reboot should have been made for a creative result, not a financial.
Let DC do what they think makes the most money/alienates readers best/is in the worst interest of the comic medium (I can't pick!). I will read on its failing a couple of months after.
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We need to build on our success, and so no one around the company is expecting to take our foot off the gas. It may not be as seismic as what was done on August 31st, but everyone's game has been raised to tell more compelling stories, to introduce more compelling characters, to provide more incentives to the retailer than have ever been done before, and that's as much a Vertigo imperative as a DC Comics imperative.
And so I think everyone's trying to best themselves.
And that was an internal intent of the New 52. We put a picture up at the Road Show of a nurse giving an immunization in the arm, because we said, speaking only for DC Entertainment, we needed a shot in the arm. And we would suppose that retailers needed a shot in the arm, and creators needed a shot in the arm, and this intellectual properties, and stories and characters needed a shot in the arm.
We've done that successfully, and now we're looking onward and upward.
-- John Rood, DC Comics executive vice president of sales, marketing and business development
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Whatever you tell yourself. Or rather, whatever you tell your shareholders and whatever you make the readers tell themselves.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #157 on: Jan 12th, 2012, 4:52pm » |
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Six titles cancelled, six new titles coming up.
On of those under the new New 52 titles is Batman Incorporated. Let's hope tat doesn't spell disaster for Morrison's run in the sense that I hope it does not feel forced into the new continuity.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #158 on: Jan 13th, 2012, 2:13pm » |
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on Jan 12th, 2012, 4:52pm, TheMidnighter wrote:Six titles cancelled, six new titles coming up.
On of those under the new New 52 titles is Batman Incorporated. Let's hope tat doesn't spell disaster for Morrison's run in the sense that I hope it does not feel forced into the new continuity. |
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If anyone can pull it off, it's Morrison. But I fear for the worst...
In other news, Boo 52 = Boo Logo?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/01/13/dc%2Dcomics%2Dgets%2Dlogo%2Dhere/
Is this true? If so I think that logo looks horrible!!! The pure unrelenting hidiousness of it does fit with the general direction of the Boo 52 though, so that adds credence to the story.
Honestly I think the current logo was a massive step down from its predecessor. I don't know, the current logo looks great up on Imax, or on Blu Ray, it suits the media really well. But for the actual books themselves, I think the famous DC logo worked best.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #159 on: Jan 13th, 2012, 5:15pm » |
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We may also have our first late book. I don't think anyone will be surprised, it's Jim Lee's Justice League:
Justice League #5 was scheduled for release Jan. 18, according to the Previews catalog as well as the publisher’s own website, but recent information from Diamond Comic Distributors suggests it won’t make that date.
Issue 5 isn’t among the titles the distributor has scheduled to ship Wednesday … or the week after. Robot 6 emailed DC comment and a revised release date, but has yet to receive a response.
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/01/is%2Djustice%2Dleague%2D5%2Dthe%2Dfirst%2Dlate%2Dbook%2Dof%2Ddcs%2Dnew%2D52/
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #160 on: Jan 14th, 2012, 01:24am » |
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I'm surprised Jim Lee managed for such a long time. I mean, with all the press conferences, playing DCU Online and having your picture taken, it was such a monster feat to also actually work in the comic industry. We should al applaud Lee for his valiant effort.
Warhol's fifteen minutes can be a real bitch, huh? Working in the comic business and thinking you are actually bigger than the comics and the work.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #161 on: Jan 15th, 2012, 12:45pm » |
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on Jan 14th, 2012, 01:24am, TheMidnighter wrote:I'm surprised Jim Lee managed for such a long time. I mean, with all the press conferences, playing DCU Online and having your picture taken, it was such a monster feat to also actually work in the comic industry. We should al applaud Lee for his valiant effort.
Warhol's fifteen minutes can be a real bitch, huh? Working in the comic business and thinking you are actually bigger than the comics and the work. |
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At least you're not bitter
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #162 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 05:59am » |
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on Dec 16th, 2011, 9:19pm, Nick wrote:| I hearby declare that you may not call me Nick anymore. I know I was Nick on the old boards, and have been Nick on these boards for like six years or something. But from now on you will call me Lucky, and I was actually never Nick and you have always called me Lucky. That name wasn't taken by someone else was it? Of course it wasn't, in the New 52 Threads it turns out that the person you thought was Lucky was actually me. While in the Old Boards Nick and midLfinger were two seperate people, in the New 52 Boards Nick never existed, and midLfinger was never Lucky. Because I am Lucky. |
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Wait... what?
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #163 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 7:52pm » |
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on Jan 16th, 2012, 05:59am, Lucky wrote:
dafug have you beeN? 
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #164 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 10:00pm » |
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Hmmm, it looks like the New 52 Threads have caused our universe to be much more confusing than it was before, therefore it must be more accessible to new posters! Although in the New 52 Threads, Lucky appears to be somebody else entirely. Was he ever part of thebatsquad or has his history been erased?
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