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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #162 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 05:59am » |
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on Dec 16th, 2011, 9:19pm, Nick wrote:| I hearby declare that you may not call me Nick anymore. I know I was Nick on the old boards, and have been Nick on these boards for like six years or something. But from now on you will call me Lucky, and I was actually never Nick and you have always called me Lucky. That name wasn't taken by someone else was it? Of course it wasn't, in the New 52 Threads it turns out that the person you thought was Lucky was actually me. While in the Old Boards Nick and midLfinger were two seperate people, in the New 52 Boards Nick never existed, and midLfinger was never Lucky. Because I am Lucky. |
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #163 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 7:52pm » |
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on Jan 16th, 2012, 05:59am, Lucky wrote:
dafug have you beeN? 
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« Reply #164 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 10:00pm » |
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Hmmm, it looks like the New 52 Threads have caused our universe to be much more confusing than it was before, therefore it must be more accessible to new posters! Although in the New 52 Threads, Lucky appears to be somebody else entirely. Was he ever part of thebatsquad or has his history been erased?
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #165 on: Jan 17th, 2012, 02:32am » |
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"Once the shocking truth stands revealed, The BatSquad will forever change!"
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« Reply #166 on: Jan 17th, 2012, 09:33am » |
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Only forever? Damn, I was hoping the revelation would last us more than a month.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #167 on: Jan 17th, 2012, 4:54pm » |
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It's that time again - the #8's are solicited!
BATMAN:
Broken and beaten, Bruce Wayne has retreated from Gotham City – the city of Owls – to Wayne Manor. But no place is safe, because the Court is about to strike at the heart of city, and nothing will ever be the same. Be there for the start of the battle for Gotham City’s soul…and the prelude to “The Night of the Owls.”
DETECTIVE:
Bruce Wayne’s girlfriend, investigative journalist Charlotte Rivers, tries to protect a long-hidden secret even when her own life hangs in the balance. The Scarecrow is after knowledge only she possesses, and he’ll stop at nothing to get it from her. Can Batman uncover Charlotte’s secret past in time to save her future? With the clock ticking and a dose of newly designed fear gas in the air, Batman must first fight his own nightmare as all of Gotham City turns against him.
I got bored and didn't have time to do all the "secrets revealed" mentions. Blah.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #168 on: Jan 17th, 2012, 6:44pm » |
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DC Dictionary
Ever/Forever = "For a month"
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #169 on: Jan 17th, 2012, 7:38pm » |
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I just read Nightwing #5. Who the fuck is Raymond?
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #170 on: Jan 18th, 2012, 12:56am » |
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An interesting bit from Cameron Stewart about the Clusterfuck Of Incompetence, (also) known as the DC Editorial:
http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/16041500894/cs
I particularly liked this line:
"Then the reboot was rushed into play..."
Certainly was Cameron, certainly was. Rushed being the key word.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #172 on: Jan 26th, 2012, 03:03am » |
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Good read, indeed, Nick. I like his professionalism in that he did not wish to look back or talk about leaving. He just wanted to quit, work on something else and leave Scott McDaniel and Harvey Richards to their delusions of grandeur.
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« Reply #173 on: Jan 26th, 2012, 7:30pm » |
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All of my ideas and suggestions were met with disdain, and Scott McDaniel lectured me on how my method for writing was wrong because it wasn't what the Robert McKee screenwriting book he read told him was the way to do things. The man who'd never written anything was suddenly more expert than me and the editor was agreeing with him. Scott had also never read a Static comic book, nor seen the cartoon series, yet was telling me that my dialogue didn't sound true to the character and would "fix it."
When the glass ceiling meets the glass floor.
I see Jim Lee's presence is paying off -- yet again, we have the Image Comics imprimatur, where artists think a mediocre splash page is little different than scripting duties.
I wonder if McDaniel took notes from Larry Hama? But I suppose that would be the same as the Image Comics standard.
To be fair, I heard Didio used similar methods in constructing the reboot. It seems it was much better planned than we previously thought, as the word is that he read his copy of Economics For Dummies from cover to cover before moving forward.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #174 on: Jan 27th, 2012, 05:44am » |
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Without being a part of the situation, I'd rather not trash-talk anyone. Than being said, McDaniel's art is not what it once was. It used to be tight and dynamic (think Nightwing or Batman / Detective in the 90s), but has become loose and sloppy over the years. Everything I've seen him do since NW Y1 has been very ... lacking.
When it comes to splash pages, that helps them sell tpb. More art = less story, so it takes longer to get a story completed = more pages in a collected edition. Not to mention more people buying the issues out of obligation to not stop in the middle of a story.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #175 on: Jan 31st, 2012, 06:57am » |
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on Jan 27th, 2012, 05:44am, snipe wrote:| Without being a part of the situation, I'd rather not trash-talk anyone. |
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It's certainly possible that the anecdote is unfair, or completely untrue.
But that's also the risk in posting such a link, or clicking on it in the first place.
It struck me as unbelievably hubris-laden to read one 'how to' guide and then deem himself an expert on writing; rather, that there is only one "right" way to write. While I believe there are any number of backgrounds that can lead to competent writing, great writing likewise -- or perhaps from a standpoint of a freer hand creating something outside the norm, and being better for it -- is not something that can necessarily defined by bourgeois rule books.
The simplicity of the thinking is dumb, and dumbfounding. Maybe he takes those Holiday Inn Express ads literally?
It's like a butcher deciding he's a Mohel: even as he makes the cut, he doesn't. Just a bloody mess.
Of further note is the family business aspect. The industry nepotism that gives a fairly well-known artist a job he has little qualification for, beyond his industry connections, natch, is often stultifying to the form, and leads to a comic being cancelled "early" because it never should have been published at all. (I say this, admittedly, having not read the issues that are the antecedent to this discussion; mea culpa?)
And he doesn't even consider this, it would seem, while rejecting another writer's abilities and gimmicks/ideas.
It might also beg the question of just how wise -- from an artistic perspective (wha?) -- printing 52 issues per month is. I don't even know that I can find, prima facie, a very good marketing hook in what DC is doing on sheer scale. How many afterthoughts are they foisting on the market?
They're still publishing less than Marvel, but as an argument of this reboot I would think that the maxim of Quality Over Quantity, just as a pretense, would seem to make more sense than the inverse. Wasn't it supposed to be a universe and continuity simplified?
I'd also hazard that even as they're publishing too much, that might be because they're publishing the wrong type of material. Looking at the self-regard involved from DC Corporate, the biggest gaffe is how there's no walk with the talk; this is just another context of them presenting an argument of simplified quality, and delivering...is iit the opposite, or nothing at all?
For instance, Legends of the Dark Knight is a major hole in the lineup. Why was it cancelled, and why hasn't it been brought back? Why not expand it, if possible, to other major characters? Myth's of The Man of Tomorrow or somesuch.
These could be monthly titles that allow for more intimate, odd, personal stories -- possibly more artistic expression, depending -- without the bounds of mainline continuity to impinge or harm, within or without.
Yet DC decides to publish...lesbian Batwoman and African Batman. Because demographics will change simply if DC throws out four or five bones per month. It's rather like lipstick on a pig, or trying to get more guys to watch Lifetime Movies.
Quote:| When it comes to splash pages, that helps them sell tpb. More art = less story, so it takes longer to get a story completed = more pages in a collected edition. Not to mention more people buying the issues out of obligation to not stop in the middle of a story. |
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I largely agree with this, though I don't completely condemn splash pages. I do recall that writer/artists of the 90s were very big on splash pages to make up for the lacking scripts. Again, Image. Erik Larson. So on.
I can see the point of dramatic scale, minute detail, etc. as an artistic parallel to wideshots on film: what would The Tree of Life or Apocalypse Now be with the scale of the average tv show in framing? What would they be as artistic, thematic explorations if reduced visually in what was being revealed, and said?
The problem is, most splash page comics seem to come from hacks. Trying to cover for a lack of narrative depth rather than using the visual nature of the medium to add tone, meat and style-as-substance.
It;s often important to communicate ideas visual, and to create emotion. Splash pages do that no matter what, at least to the later, I suppose. For me the emotion was often ennui or disgust.
Mileage may vary.
At the same time, it's simply the nature of the beast to drag out scripts now. Bagley's work on Ultimate Spider-Man pops immediately to the fore, and yet the modality was far more paneled: something like a multi-page visual of Peter Parker reacting to something. Sometimes with thought bubbles or dialogue, often without.
I wouldn't say it always failed, but I got the feeling more and more that he was either covering for himself/Bendis, or that Marvel brass wanted longer storylines.
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Re: DC Total Re-Launch?
« Reply #176 on: Jan 31st, 2012, 4:45pm » |
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on Jan 31st, 2012, 06:57am, Will wrote:| It's certainly possible that the anecdote is unfair, or completely untrue. |
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It doesn't appear so - his name is not on the solicit for the tpb. He either asked out of it or they removed him. Probably the former.
on Jan 31st, 2012, 06:57am, Will wrote:| It's like a butcher deciding he's a Mohel: even as he makes the cut, he doesn't. Just a bloody mess. |
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Not sure if they have them where you are, but we have some advertisements here that depict a doctor using a jack-hammer on a road. The tag line is something like "you wouldn't want your doctor doing your job, don't try to do theirs" (trying to grab people away from web.md and other online services for meds).
on Jan 31st, 2012, 06:57am, Will wrote:For instance, Legends of the Dark Knight is a major hole in the lineup. Why was it cancelled, and why hasn't it been brought back? Why not expand it, if possible, to other major characters? Myth's of The Man of Tomorrow or somesuch.
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I loved the short-lived "Legends of the DCU" series - it was LOTDK, but using other DCU characters.
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