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« Thread started on: Sep 11th, 2012, 11:20am »

Has anyone else been checking out the recent expanded re-release TPBs? If so what do you think of them?

In some ways I love them, in others I hate them.

1) Knightfall - The good is that DC claimed to be finally collecting the complete Knightfall. They lied. The new Volume 2 is the complete Knightquest: The Crusade which was brilliant because none of this had been collected before! But Volume 3 is a complete screw up. Instead of Knightquest: The Search (which is nowhere to be found) we have Prodigal instead! What?! I love Prodigal, and yeah it ties up some nice loose ends to the whole Knightfall/Quest/sEnd trilogy. But it is better off having its own original release. The Search is so much more important, so why the hell is it omitted? Who is the retard that made that decision? Seriously, how can anyone miss The Search when collecting a "Complete" Edition?!

The other bad point is the printing (and this is a major issue in many re-releases). On the plus it is matte paper, but the actual colouring has seen a DNR style scrubbing to smooth it all out to give it a more modern look. But in doing this major detail has been lost, just like DNR. You only have to look at the opening issue of Bane breaking open Arkham and nearly every page is missing pencil lines all over the place. It is a travesty. On top of that the contrast has been put so far up everything is so blown out and a lot of colour subtlety is also lost.


2) No Man's Land - This is a much superiour release to Knightfall, but the choice of glossy paper is on odd one. The original TPBs were all matte paper and they suited the tone and look of the books well. Fortunately there doesn't appear to be any lost detail in the artwork - although the Azrael issues are noticably poorer quality and look like somebody has just scanned in the monthlies in low resolution! Which I suspect is exactly what they did judging by the new Year One linked later.


3) Gotham Central - The art has been butchered. The first print of the original couple of TPBs were on that beautiful thick slightly glossed paper with a very thick inky print that didn't glare (just think original Year One). But the re-releases are the light refecting modern glossy and you get light glaring all over the page. It just looks cheap and completely ruins the mood and noir look and tone of the books. Having every single issue collected in order is brilliant, and makes much more sense than the previous releases. If only they had proper printing these would be perfect.
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Poor printing seems to be a running theme of these re-releases. No Man's Land is the best of the bunch, but they are still vastly inferiour to the original prints in picture quality. Gotham Central is butchered but at least gets the issues complete. Knightfall is a waste of money except the the Knightquest TPB - the only other extras are Vengeance Of Bane in the new Vol 1 (which you could just get in the Batman Vs Bane TPB that collects Bane Of The Demon too) and extra Catwoman & Azrael Showcase issues in Vol 3.

Even Dave Mazzucchelli is speaking out about these poorly printed re-releases: http://www.tcj.com/david-mazzucchelli-disavows-forthcoming-batman-reprint/
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So has anybody experienced any of the other re-releases? I know the new Prey collects both that and Terror and there is a new Venom out there. I fear the worst about the printing quality though.

I'm torn over these re-releases. In some ways I'm glad to be getting more complete releases as they should have been done the first time and it's nice long out of print great stories like Prodigal are available to those who missed out on them before. But in others ways I hate the new printings; I'm getting the new editions that offer more complete stories, but I'm keeping the original printings for the significantly better print quality. As for books like Venom and Prey they offer nothing I don't have so they don't reach my radar. These releases could be perfect and the ultimate releases of these stories, but DC can't help screwing it up with the print quality or missing essential issues.

It would be nice if somewhere down the line it lead to completely uncollected material being released such as Azrael, Gotham Knights, and the massive gaps in series like Nightwing and Catwoman.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 24th, 2012, 06:46am »

The value of leaving out The Search is that its infantile deus ex machina is left on the cutting room floor. Right?

I have fond memories of Prodigal but it has no place in a Knightfall collection; a positive replacement for Bruce in the cowl goes against a big part of what O'Neil's "epic" was about. And it might be a repetitive epilogue when pushed as a part of the Knights Trilogy.

If they wanted to expand Knightfall it would be better to go back rather than forward and completely outside its boundary; there are elements from Venom and Shaman in there that help to flesh out and personalize Denny's intent. But that's a little opaque in marketing terms, not to mention unhelpful as far as a yearly catalog.

As far as other LOTDK collections, I always thought the truer sequel, tonally, to Prey was Moench's Heat. Terror is an odd book, with overwritten inner-monologues and a more Gothic visual style; I'd guess that it's the idea of madness spreading and taking over the city post=Prey, which personifies Strange and vindicates his earlier viewpoint. But it's not particularly well done even if you understand or assume those are its goals.

Will I buy any of these? Probably not. If I pick up anything it will be Morrison collections.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 12th, 2013, 01:03am »

The weird formatting issue that has cropped up recently has killed my link. Every "minus" symbol I used has been changed to a "%2D" when I look at the page and has killed my link. If you manually change all %2D back to a minus symbol then it will fix it. Is anybody else seeing this problem or is it displaying normally? Sorry, can't explain this one.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 17th, 2013, 06:14am »

Same. It was off and on for some time (meaning between posts), but now it's constant.

Tried it on multiple computers,
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 17th, 2013, 7:26pm »

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« Reply #5 on: Jan 17th, 2013, 7:26pm »

Works for me? I can see what you're saying, thought. When I go to quote the first post here, there is definitely a dash / minus in the text.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 19th, 2013, 04:26am »

Looking ahead at some of DC's proposed TPBs for the first half of the year brings some good news, namely this one:

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CATWOMAN VOL. 2: NO EASY WAY DOWN TP

Writer: Ed Brubaker

Artists: Brad Rader, Rick Burchett, Dan Davis, Mark Lipka, Cameron Stewart, Mike Manley, Javier Pulido, Guy Davis, Michael Avon Oeming, Paul Gulacy and Jimmy Palmiotti

Collects: CATWOMAN #10-24 and CATWOMAN SECRET FILES #1

$24.99 US, 400 pg


While I'm sure most of us own the original TPBs containing all these issues, hopefully this surprising move signifies that we may see DC continue their complete Catwoman collections in future with all that uncollected material! I'll most certainly pick up any future books in this series if they do!


DC are also looking to continue collecting the solo Harley Quinn series. This surprised me, but she is always a guarenteed sales success so perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised, I just didn't expect it because it has been so long since Vol 1.

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HARLEY QUINN: NIGHT AND DAY TP

Writer: Karl Kesel

Artists: Terry Dodson, Rachel Dodson, Pete Woods, Mark Lipka, Aron Wiesenfled, Paul Grist, Paul Chadwick, Amanda Conner, Jimmy Palmiotti and Steve Lieber

Collects: HARLEY QUINN #8-13 and HARLEY QUINN: OUR WORLDS AT WAR #1



This one also caught me by surprise:

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NIGHTWING: OLD FRIENDS, NEW ENEMIES TP

Writers: Marv Wolfman, Cheri Wilkerson and Dan Mishkin

Artists: Chuck Patton, Tom Poston, Tom Mandrake, Vince Giarrano, Erik Larsen and Mike DeCarlo

Collects: SECRET ORIGINS #13 and stories from ACTION COMICS WEEKLY #613-618 and 627-634

$14.99 US, 160 pg


Maybe DC are gearing up to give Nightwing a deserved complete collection like they appear to be doing with Catwoman? Here's hoping, Nightwing certainly deserves a complete solo series collection in TPBs!


And finally, excellent news for those who haven't been able to get hold of the wonderful Batgirl: Year One. Why re-collect Robin though? They only recently re-released that as it is, should have just done it on its own. Shame we'll never see the rumoured fourth in the series, Oracle: Year One, I'd have loved to have that to round of the series.

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BATGIRL/ROBIN YEAR ONE TP

Writers: Chuck Dixon and Scott Beatty

Artists: Marcos Martin, Alvaro Lopez, Javier Pulido and Robert Campanella

Collects: BATGIRL YEAR ONE #1-9 and ROBIN YEAR ONE #1-4

$24.99 US, 424 pg



http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2012/12/11/dc-entertainment-unveils-dc-universe-titles-for-may-and-june-2013
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2012/12/12/dc-entertainment-unveils-dc-universe-titles-for-july-and-august-2013

EDIT: Sorry, that weird unexplainable glitch in changing the "dash/minus" to a "%2D" is killing the links again.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 19th, 2013, 08:54am »

OOOOH! That Nightwing - I hope they recolor it. It was rather poorly done (or at least in my issues). I'm excited! cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 19th, 2013, 09:28am »

I'm a believer in not altering history, as such I feel that books shouldn't be re-coloured, or "George Lucas'ed". But based on recent history, DC don't like the traditional hand coloured look and will in many cases fully re-colour digitally if re-publishing them. If it is as bad as you say I would assume a re-colouring is a definite.

The source material will no doubt have held up better than the original issues though, many of my single issues from the 80s and early 90s have seriously degraded over the years. Some of the issues I've picked up second hand are near unreadable. So even if they preserve the original colours, it will still look better than the original issues. A prime example for me is Ten Nights Of The Beast, I think that TPB looks amazing, the print and paper quality of TPBs was made to last. I don't think lifespan for the monthlies was a huge concern in the past.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 20th, 2013, 09:26am »

Oh yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Make it look "new" as it did when it came out, not make it look like today's coloring.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 21st, 2013, 5:19pm »

Excited about Nightwing and Catwoman potential! Now all we need is BoP and we're good to go.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 21st, 2013, 7:40pm »

Don't hold your breath on that, Drak. DC doesn't want to pay Chuck Dixon a dime. The BoP stuff is gone until didiot is no longer in power.
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 24th, 2017, 02:53am »

DC are at it again!

on Sep 11th, 2012, 11:20am, Nick wrote:
The other bad point is the printing (and this is a major issue in many re-releases). On the plus it is matte paper, but the actual colouring has seen a DNR style scrubbing to smooth it all out to give it a more modern look. But in doing this major detail has been lost, just like DNR. You only have to look at the opening issue of Bane breaking open Arkham and nearly every page is missing pencil lines all over the place. It is a travesty. On top of that the contrast has been put so far up everything is so blown out and a lot of colour subtlety is also lost.


After watching the film I thought it would be nice to read some Wonder Woman. The new collections seemed to be the easiest/most cost effective way to go:

http://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/wonder-woman-by-george-perez-2015/wonder-woman-by-george-perez-vol-1

I knew print quality could be an issue, but I was hoping DC might have improved. That's a BIG DC NO! The Blu-Ray DNR style havoc is back in full force. I cannot even begin to comprehend the decision making process that results in scrubbing away parts of the art.

My case in point is the Time Passages issue which is #8. Large amounts of this issue are prose which due to the scrubbing are now partially (in some cases largely) erased. It makes reading at best challenging, at worst sometimes nigh on impossible to work out what a word says.

Unlike Knightfall, I don't have an original release to compare it to. But there are countless instances where there are very obviously missing lines and details. For example, in an early issue, a crowd of characters are pink blobs with dotted outlines. I fully suspect each person was a solid unbroken line originally.

Also like Knightfall, the colours are very washed out, I imagine the older releases were a lot more vibrant than this with a far greater range in colour.

Unless you just want a cheaper read, avoid and take to Ebay for some older better collections.
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