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« Thread started on: Sep 26th, 2012, 1:35pm »

For almost two years now, I've been re-reading all of my in-continuity pre-Flashpoint DC stories from the very beginning and chronicling what I read in the main "what are we currently reading" thread. Just recently, for the first time, I took a break from reading strictly DC continuity stuff and read some other things, but now I'm getting back into my DC chronicles and I've decided it would be easier to keep track of if I open a separate thread specifically for this purpose. Therefore, I will now re-post everything that I originally posted in the other thread from the very beginning. I'll have to divide it into several posts here since 10,000 characters is apparently not enough, and hereafter I will just add all of my further DC continuity readings to this thread.

Please note that I put short summaries of the stories that I think are important, which could be minor spoilers.

I generally try to fit everything into continuity. I only omit stories that obviously couldn't have happened. Feel free to comment on anything on the list. If you see something that you think shouldn't be on the list or something that seems out of order, I'm open to discussing anything. smiley
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The World of Krypton #1-3 - Chronicles thousands of years of Krypton's history.

The Kents - Set in the second half of the 1800s and chronicles the story of the Kent family in the American old west. Includes cameos by Jonah Hex and Scalphunter.

Secret Origins #5 - The Crimson Avenger becomes the world's first costumed superhero in 1938.
The Crimson Avenger - four-part miniseries
Secret Origins # 7 - Sandman
Secret Origins #9 - The Flash (Jay Garrick)
Secret Origins #18 - Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
Secret Origins #15 - The Spectre
Secret Origins #24 - Dr. Fate
Secret Origins #16 - Hourman
Secret Origins #31 - Justice Society of America is founded.
Secret Origins #20 - Dr. Mid-Nite
Justice Society of America: Vengeance from the Stars - Eight-part miniseries set in 1950, shortly before the JSA would disband.

Superman: Secret Origin #1-2 - A teenager in Smallville, Kansas named Clark Kent discovers he has remarkable powers. His parents subsequently reveal to him that they found him as a baby in a crashed rocket ship and that he is from another planet.

The Man of Steel #1 - Clark Kent becomes Superman.
Superman For All Seasons #1
The Man of Steel #2

Superman: Secret Origin #3-6 - Clark Kent begins working at the Daily Planet newspaper in Metropolis and meets Lois Lane.

Batman: Year One - Bruce Wayne becomes Batman and begins his war on crime in Gotham City.
Batman: Shaman
Catwoman: Her Sister's Keeper - Selina Kyle becomes Catwoman.
Catwoman Annual #2 (1995)

Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn - Hal Jordan becomes a Green Lantern and fights crime in Coast City.
Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn II

Batman: The Man Who Falls

Batman: Turning Points #1 - Batman forges an alliance with police captain Jim Gordon.

Batman and the Monster Men - Batman's first encounter with Dr. Hugo Strange. Bruce Wayne dates Julie Madison.
Batman and the Mad Monk - Bruce and Julie break up.

Batman: The Man Who Laughs - Batman's first encounter with the Joker.

The Man of Steel #3 - Superman and Batman meet for the first time.

Shadow of the Bat Annual #3 (1995) - Batman's first encounter with Poison Ivy.

Batman: Prey

Batman: Journey Into Knight (12-part series)

Batman: Tenses

The Man of Steel #4 - Superman encounters Lex Luthor.

Batman: Gothic

Superman For All Seasons #2

The Batman Chronicles #8 - Dinosaur Island - Origin of the giant dinosaur robot in the Batcave.

Legends of the Dark Knight Annual #5 (1995) - Origin of Man-Bat.

Legends of the Dark Knight Annual #7 (1997)

Batman and Catwoman: Trail of the Gun

Superman For All Seasons #3

Batman: Venom - Batman briefly becomes addicted to a powerful designer drug called Venom.

Batman: Snow - Origin of Mr. Freeze.

Superman For All Seasons #4

Detective Comics Annual #8 (1995) - Origin of the Riddler.

Batman Annual #19 (1995) - Origin of Scarecrow.

Batman: The Long Halloween - Harvey Dent becomes Two-Face.
Two-Face: Year One - Ties directly into the events of The Long Halloween.

Batman: Haunted Knight - Bruce Wayne hires Lucius Fox to run Wayne Enterprises.

Batman: Terror

Batman: Rules of Engagement - Batman meets Lex Luthor.

Batman & Superman: World's Finest #1 - A mutual acquaintance of both Batman and Superman is killed. They agree to meet once a year on the anniversary of the man's death.

Catwoman (first series) #38-40 (Catwoman: Year Two)

Green Arrow: Year One - Oliver Queen becomes Green Arrow.
Green Arrow Annual #7 (1995)
Secret Origins #38 - Green Arrow
Green Arrow: The Wonder Year #1-4

Batman: The Ring, The Arrow, and The Bat - Green Arrow meets Green Lantern; Green Arrow meets Batman.

Secret Origins #32 - Justice League of America
JLA: Year One - A monumental event in the DC Universe. The Justice League of America is founded by Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), The Flash (Barry Allen), Aquaman (Arthur Curry), Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onzz), and Black Canary (Dinah Lance).

Batman & Superman: World's Finest #2

JLA: Incarnations #1 - Green Arrow and the Atom are now members of the Justice League; Hawkman and Hawkgirl join the team at the end of this issue.

Batman: Jazz

Batman: Faces

Legends of the Dark Knight #0

Batman: Year Two - Batman encounters Joe Chill, the man who murdered his parents; Joe Chill dies.

JLA: Incarnations #2 - Batman joins the Justice League of America; Superman joins as a reserve member.

Batman: Dark Victory - Dick Grayson's parents are murdered; Bruce Wayne takes him in and begins training him to be his sidekick.
Catwoman: When In Rome - This chronicles Catwoman's time in Italy during the events of Dark Victory.

Batman Chronicles: The Gauntlet - Dick Grayson passes his final test and officially becomes Robin, the Boy Wonder.

Batman: Turning Points #2

Robin: Year One

Robin Annual #4 (1995)

Batman & Superman: World's Finest #3

Batman: Ego

Batman: Full Circle - This is a sequel to Batman: Year Two. Batman and Robin encounter the son of Joe Chill.

Legends of the DC Universe #6 - Robin meets Superman for the first time.

Year One: Batman/Scarecrow

Batman: The Black Casebook

The Brave and the Bold #54 - Robin, Kid Flash, and Aqualad team up for the first time.

Teen Titans: Year One - The Teen Titans are founded by Robin (Dick Grayson), Kid Flash (Wally West), Aqualad (Garth), Wonder Girl (Donna Troy), and Speedy (Roy Harper).

The Man of Steel #5

Detective Comics #334

Metamorpho: Year One - Rex Mason is transformed into Metamorpho. He later turns down membership in the Justice League.

Brave and the Bold #60 - Teen Titans

Batman & Superman: World's Finest #4

Batman: Fortunate Son

Showcase #59 - "Dig this gig -- When a fab singin', swingin' teen group makes the scene with a crazy crime beat that'll have you losing your cool -- until the merely greatest group of all, the Teen Titans, blows in and really has to go-go-go to put down the baddies who have copped out with the loot! You better believe it -- this caper is just... beautiful!"

Batman: Two-Face Strikes Twice: Part One

JLA: Zatanna's Search - The character of Zatanna is introduced as she encounters various members of the Justice League while searching for her missing father. She later becomes an important member of the team.

Teen Titans #1 - "They're here!... Those kids with the super-hero beat... The Teen Titans... Busting loose in their first book-length killer-chiller that's all strictly their own! Fighting, battling, daring, dashing -- and even thinking! So come along where the action is -- as the newest, hottest team, in or out of this world, takes on... The Beast-God of Xochatan!"

Batgirl: Year One - Barbara Gordon becomes Batgirl and joins Batman's crusade.

Legends of the DC Universe #10-11 - Batgirl

JLA: Incarnations #3 - The Justice League moves into their new satellite headquarters. The roster at the start of this story includes Green Lantern, The Flash, Black Canary, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow, The Atom, Hawkman, Zatanna, Firestorm, Superman, and Batman. Green Arrow leaves the team.

Batman & Superman: World's Finest #5 - Superman meets Batgirl.

Batman: Batgirl - Batgirl encounters the Joker for the first time.

The Man of Steel #6

Batman: Batgirl (Girlfrenzy!)

The World of Krypton #4 - Superman tells Lois Lane about Krypton.

Batman Family #2

Teen Titans #18

Detective Comics #392

Detective Comics #393 - Batman and Robin (Dick Grayson) work their last full-time case together before Dick goes off to college.

Batman #217 - Dick leaves for Hudson University. Bruce and Alfred then move out of Wayne Manor and into a penthouse in the city. Dick is still Robin but he no longer works with Batman full-time.

Detective Comics #394-395

Detective Comics #400-401 - Batman encounters Man-Bat.

Detective Comics #404
Detective Comics #405 - First appearance of the League of Assassins.
Detective Comics #406 - First appearance of Dr. Darrk, the president of the League of Assassins.

Detective Comics #408-410

Detective Comics #411 - "Into the Den of the Death-Dealers" - Batman's first encounter with Talia. Dr. Darrk is killed.

Batman #232 - "Daughter of the Demon" - Batman's first encounter with one of his most fearsome opponents, Ra's Al Ghul.

Teen Titans Spotlight #21

Batman #235 - "Swamp Sinister" - Another early encounter with Ra's Al Ghul.

Detective Comics #417 - Commissioner Gordon reveals in a thought balloon that he actually knows that his (adoptive) daughter Barbara Gordon is Batgirl, but he does not tell her that he knows.

Batman #240 - "Vengeance for a Dead Man" - Though Batman was already suspicious about Ra's Al Ghul's goals and motives and had refused his offer to join him, this is where Batman first realizes that Ra's is completely insane and their rivalry really begins.

Birds of Prey: Batgirl/Catwoman
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Detective Comics #422 - Barbara Gordon tells her father that she is Batgirl, which he already knew.
Detective Comics #423 - Barbara Gordon starts her campaign to be elected to the United States Congress.
Detective Comics #424 - Barbara Gordon wins the election and moves to Washington, D.C.

Batman #242 - "Bruce Wayne--Rest In Peace" - Batman fakes Bruce Wayne's death in preparation to take down Ra's Al Ghul.
Batman #243 - "The Lazarus Pit" - Ra's Al Ghul is shown using the Lazarus pit for the first time.
Batman #244 - "The Demon Lives Again" - Batman's legendary first sword fight with Ra's Al Ghul.
Batman #245 - "The Bruce Wayne Murder Case" - Bruce Wayne is found alive, wrapping up the loose end from the previous story arc.

Detective Comics #425-426

Teen Titans #41-43

Adventures of Superman #440 - Superman and Batman learn each other's secret identities. (Note: Placement of this story may be anachronistic and subject of continuity discrepancies.)

Green Lantern/Green Arrow: Part One - Green Lantern and Green Arrow embark on their legendary cross-country adventure.
Green Lantern/GreenArrow: Part Two - Green Arrow discovers that his sidekick Speedy has become a heroin addict. Speedy is subsequently able to get clean with the support of Green Lantern and Black Canary.

Legends of the DC Universe #12-13 - Justice League of America

Swamp Thing: Dark Genesis - Dr. Alec Holland becomes the Swamp Thing. Swamp Thing meets Batman for the first time during an adventure in Gotham.

Detective Comics #434-435 - First appearance of The Spook.

Batman #257

Justice League of America #105 - The Elongated Man joins the JLA.

Detective Comics #444-448

Batman Family #1

Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman: Trinity - Superman and Batman meet Wonder Woman. (Note: Placement of this story may be anachronistic and subject of continuity discrepancies.)

Man-Bat #1-2

Detective Comics #457 - "There Is No Hope In Crime Alley"

Batman #276

Detective Comics #463-464 - First appearance of Black Spider.

Teen Titans #44-52 - Titans West is formed by Beast Boy, Golden Eagle, Bat-Girl (Bette Kane), Lilith, Hawk, and Dove.

Justice League of America #138-139

The New Titans #56 - This is an issue of the later Teen Titans series but is set here in this time period.

Batman & Superman: World's Finest #6

Batman #287-288 - Batman battles the Penguin.

Black Lightning: Year One - Jefferson Pierce becomes Black Lightning, using his meta-human electrical abilities to fight crime in Metropolis's Suicide Slum.

Batman: Strange Apparitions - Collects issues of Detective Comics #469-479. Batman battles Dr. Phosphorus, Hugo Strange, the Penguin, Deadshot, the Joker, Clayface, and the corrupt politician Rupert Thorne. Bruce Wayne dates Silver St. Cloud. Hugo Strange discovers Batman's identity but is subsequently murdered. Silver St. Cloud also discovers that Bruce is Batman but he does not directly confirm this to her.

Teen Titans #53 - The Teen Titans officially disband. This is the final issue of the original Teen Titans series.

Batman #291-294 - "Where Were You On The Night Batman Was Killed?"

World's Finest #246-249

Justice League of America #151

Justice League of America #154

Batman Family #18 - Dick Grayson's girlfriend Lori breaks up with him.
Batman Family #19
Batman Family #20 - Final issue of the series. Batman meets Ragman. Jason Bard and Kirk Langstrom (Man-Bat) become detective partners.

Batman Spectacular - "I Now Pronounce You Batman and Wife" - Batman is unwillingly "married" to Talia in another vain attempt by Ra's Al Ghul to make Batman his successor.

Batman #301-305 - Dick Grayson briefly stands in as Batman in issue #302 when Bruce needs to be seen in the same room as Batman. This probably marks Dick's first time wearing the Batsuit.

Detective Comics #480

Batman #306-307

Detective Comics #481-482

Batman #308-310 - Selina Kyle comes to see Bruce at his office to discuss how she has turned over a new leaf and wants to invest money in Wayne Enterprises, which he accepts, and they agree to discuss it further over dinner. Bruce asks Lucius Fox to gather as much information as he can about Selina Kyle.

Detective Comics #483 - "The Curse of Crime Alley"

Batman #311-312 - Batman and Batgirl battle Dr. Phosphorus in issue #311; Batman battles the Calender Man.

Detective Comics #484 - "Assault on Olympus" - Batman takes down Maxie Zeus

Batman #313-314 - Batman battles Two-Face. Also, Bruce has his date with Selina Kyle and they begin a romantic relationship. Later, Selina comes to see Bruce at his office but he is not there. She briefly speaks with Lucius Fox and he lets it slip that Bruce had asked him to compile a dossier on Selina, which angers her and she storms out.

Detective Comics #485 - "The Vengeance Vow" - Kathy Kane (who previously fought crime as Batwoman) is murdered by the League of Assassins. Also, Batman meets the Bronze Tiger for the first time.

Batman #315 - Selina seemingly breaks up with Bruce over the fact that he had asked Lucius Fox to investigate her.

Detective Comics #486

Batman #316-318 - Bruce and Selina get back together.

Detective Comics #487 - Barbara Gordon loses her re-election campaign for Congress and subsequently moves back to Gotham.

Batman #319-320

Detective Comics #488 - Dick Grayson begins a relationship with classmate Jennifer Anne.

Batman #321 - Batman and Robin battle the Joker.

Detective Comics #489 - "Where Strike the Assassins"
Detective Comics #490 - "Requiem for a Martyr" - This is the final chapter from Tales of the Demon.

Batman #322-324 - Selina Kyle once again becomes Catwoman as she and Batman battle Catman.

Detective Comics 491-492 - Batgirl is traumatized when she is nearly killed by the assassin Cormorant.

Batman #325

Detective Comics #493

Batman #326-327 - Selina breaks it off with Bruce once and for all and leaves Gotham City.

Detective Comics #494-495 - Dick Grayson drops out of Hudson University.

Batman #328-329 - Two-Face returns.

Detective Comics #496

DC Comics Presents #26 - Robin has a premonition of the New Teen Titans.

The New Teen Titans #1-2 - A new era begins as the Teen Titans reunite! The new roster features Robin (Dick Grayson), Kid Flash (Wally West), Wonder Girl (Donna Troy), Changeling (Garfield Logan), Cyborg (Victor Stone), Starfire (Koriand'r), and Raven. Also, the assassin Deathstroke makes his first appearances and becomes an enemy of the Titans.

Batman #330 - There seems to be growing tension between Batman and Robin, particularly in regard to Bruce's disapproval of Dick dropping out of college.

Detective Comics #497-499

The New Teen Titans #3-7 - The Titans continue to settle into this new group and get to know each other. Titans Tower is established as their headquarters. This batch of issues sees them encounter the Fearsome Five, the Justice League, and Raven's demonic father, Trigon.

Batman #331-335 - Robin disapproves when Batman agrees to help Talia. He gets Catwoman involved. Bruce and Talia set out around the world to find who was trying to sabotage Wayne Enterprises. Meanwhile, Robin and Catwoman follow them. This all leads to an encounter with Ra's Al Ghul.

Detective Comics #500-502

Batman #336

Detective Comics #503 - Batman, Robin, and Batgirl team up to battle the Scarecrow.

The New Teen Titans #8-9 - Donna Troy's boyfriend Terry Long is introduced. Robin mentions that he has been working at a new circus as an acrobat.

Detective Comics #504 - Batman fights the Joker.

Batman #337-338 - Back-up story shows Robin at the circus he's been working at.

The New Teen Titans #10-12 - The Titans have another encounter with Deathstroke. Changeling is seriously injured and taken to Paradise Island for help. While they are there, a battle between the mythological Greek gods ensues.

Detective Comics #505-507 - A mayoral campaign in Gotham is underway between Arthur Reeves, who strongly opposes Batman, and Hamilton Hill, who strongly opposes Commissioner Gordan. Also of note, Batman enlists the minor help of Selina Kyle in an investigation. Furthermore, Rupert Thorne is released from Arkham Asylum after being held there since the events of Strange Apparitions.

Batman #339-340 - Poison Ivy launches a scheme to take over all the holdings of Wayne Enterprises by using her hypnotic abilities to force all of the board members, including Bruce Wayne, to sign the company over to her. They are left with a post-hypnotic suggestion that prevents them from telling anyone about it. This plot thread is left hanging for now.

Teen Titans Spotlight #11 - The Brotherhood of Evil

The New Teen Titans #13-15 - The Titans search for the killers of the Doom Patrol. Also, they encounter the Brotherhood of Evil.
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Batman #341-342 - Batman encounters Man-Bat, who has gone crazy and seemingly turned rogue after a mishap with the formula that turns him into Man-Bat. He was found hiding out in the old Batcave under Wayne Manor (which is not in use at this point). Man-Bat gets away and Batman is unable to track him down for now. Also, in the back-up story, Robin leaves the circus.

Detective Comics #508-509 - Bruce saves Selina Kyle from some crazy guy who thinks he's the reincarnation of an Egyptian pharaoh. They subsequently resume their romantic relationship. However, she is soon attacked by Catman and again rescued by Batman. Selina once again decides to leave Gotham. An unseen woman (Vicki Vale) is then shown taking photographs of Bruce Wayne as he says goodbye to Selina at a train station. She muses to herself that these photos will finally prove that Bruce Wayne is Batman..

Batman #343 - Poison Ivy is closing in on her takeover of Wayne Enterprises. Also, Rupert Thorne is determined to make sure Arthur Reeves wins the mayoral election and offers Reeves his help by supplying him photos which will supposedly prove Batman's secret identity.

Detective Comics #510 - The mayoral election is just days away. Batman battles the Mad Hatter.

Batman #344 - Bruce Wayne encounters Vicki Vale for the first time in years. Batman puts an end to Poison Ivy's scheme. Robin once again returns to Gotham City. Arthur Reeves was double crossed by Rupert Thorne, who had actually been backing Hamilton Hill for the mayoral election all along. The photos Thorne had given to Reeves which supposedly proved Batman's identity were intentionally fake to make Reeves look like a fool and cost him the election. Hamilton Hill wins the election for mayor.

Detective Comics #511 - Dick Grayson resumes his college studies, this time at Gotham University. Bruce Wayne steps down as CEO of Wayne Enterprises and names Lucius Fox as his replacement.

The New Teen Titans #16

Batman #345 - Hamilton Hill is sworn in as mayor of Gotham City.

Detective Comics #512

The New Teen Titans #17

Batman #346 - Bruce seemingly begins a romantic relationship with Vicki Vale. Commissioner Gordon is forced to resign by the new mayor, Hamilton Hill. Batman battles Two-Face.

Detective Comics #513 - Batman defeats Two-Face. Bruce announces to Dick and Alfred that they will be moving back into Wayne Manor.

The New Teen Titans #18 - The Titans encounter the original Starfire (the male Russian hero who first appeared in #18 of the original Teen Titans series).

Batman #347

Detective Comics #514

The New Teen Titans #19 - Hawkman guest-stars.

Batman #348 - Bruce, Dick, and Alfred finally move back into Wayne Manor. Batman finally finds and cures Man-Bat.

The New Teen Titans #20 - Robin mentions that he's been working with Batman again lately and that it's making him feel inferior.

Detective Comics #515 - Vicki Vale is convinced that she has photographic evidence that Bruce is Batman and she makes a deal with Alfred that if he can disprove this within three weeks, she will not go public with the photos. Alfred seeks the help of the Human Target, who is known to impersonate people for a fee.

Batman #349 - James Gordon begins working with Jason Bard at his private detective agency.

Detective Comics #516 - Crime boss Rupert Thorne puts pressure on Vicki Vale's publisher to obtain the Batman photos from her but she refuses to give them up.

Batman #350 - Vicki's publisher steals the Batman photos from her office.

Detective Comics #517 - Gordon and Bard investigate Mayor Hamilton Hill and the new police commissioner. Rupert Thorne obtains the Batman photos and plans to have Bruce Wayne assassinated.

Batman #351 - Rupert Thorne hires Deadshot to kill Bruce Wayne.

Detective Comics #518 - Gordon and Bard are assaulted by corrupt police officers. The Human Target impersonates Bruce Wayne and escorts Vicki Vales to a society gala. Deadshot shows up to kill Bruce but Batman stops him. Seeing Batman and Bruce Wayne in the same place convinces Vicki and everyone else that Bruce Wayne is not Batman, finally putting an end to that story arc.

Tales of the New Teen Titans #1-4 - This four-part mini-series has the Titans taking a camping trip together to the Grand Canyon. Each issue focuses on one of the Titans telling the others about their origin. The featured Titans are Cyborg, Raven, Changeling, and Starfire, in that order.

The New Teen Titans #21-22 - The Titans' first encounter with Brother Blood

Batman #352 - Vicki Vale's publisher commits suicide.

Detective Comics #519

Batman Annual #8 (1982) - Ra's Al Ghul returns once again, and apparently dies once again.

The New Teen Titans #23-25 - The Titans battle Starfire's evil sister Blackfire (Komand'r).
The New Teen Titans Annual #1 (1982)

The New Teen Titans #26-27 - The Titans returns from planet Tamaran after the battle with Blackfire. Robin and Starfire begin a romantic relationship. Changeling encounters Terra (Tara Markov) for the first time. Speedy guest-stars.

Batman #353 - Batman battles the Joker.

Detective Comics #520 - Rupert Thorne continues to be haunted by the ghost of Hugo Strange. He hires an investigator to search Strange's old lab from the Strange Apparitions story.

Batman #354 - Rupert Thorne's investigator discovers that Strange had rigged a hologram projector in his lab and deduced that similar devices had been placed at Thorne's home, explaining that the Strange hauntings were actually a hoax. Thorne goes crazy and thinks he's been betrayed by his cronies Mayor Hill and Commissioner Pauling. He storms City Hall and kills Pauling. Thorne himself is then shot by another officer. Thorne survives and is arrested. This story arc seems to be over. Meanwhile, Selina Kyle calls Vicki Vale and warns her to stay away from Bruce.

Detective Comics #521 - Selina, in her Catwoman garb, confronts Vicki Vale in person in the middle of the night, once again warning her to stay away from Bruce.

Batman #355 - Mayor Hamilton Hill reluctantly reinstates James Gordon as commissioner of police. Batman confronts Catwoman and brings an end to her attacks on Vicki.

Detective Comics #522

Batman #356 - Hugo Strange returns! It is revealed that Strange never actually died in Strange Apparitions. He used yoga methods to slow his heartbeat so Thorne's thugs thought he was dead and then he escaped after they dumped him in the river. Strange is defeated by Batman and Robin and once again presumed dead. Also, there is a scene where Vicki Vale comes to the manor to see Bruce but he is not there. She gets upset and leaves, thinking he went out with someone else. This ends their relationship.

DC Comics Presents #54 - Superman teams up with Green Arrow.

The New Teen Titans #28-32 - The rest of the Titans meet Terra. Robin becomes increasingly distant and driven due to his problems with Batman. The Titans battle the Brotherhood of Evil. Terra officially becomes of member of the Titans. Terry Long proposes to Donna Troy. All that and more!

DC Comics Presents #58 - Superman teams up with Robin.

Green Arrow (four-part mini-series)

Batman: Dark Detective - Sequel to Strange Apparitions. Bruce briefly rekindles his romance with Silver St. Cloud.

The New Teen Titans #33-34 - Starfire goes to Wayne Manor to find Dick but is informed by Alfred that Dick is no longer living there. Donna Troy accepts Terry Long's marriage proposal. It is revealed to the reader that Terra is secretly working with Deathstroke.

The New Teen Titans Annual #2 (1983) - Adrian Chase becomes the Vigilante. First appearance of Cheshire.

Justice League of America #217

Batman and the Outsiders #1-2 - Batman has a falling out with Superman and Wonder Woman and officially resigns from the Justice League of America. He then assembles a new team of misfit superheroes called the Outsiders. The group consists of Black Lightning (Jefferson Pierce), Metamorpho (Rex Mason), Geo-Force (Brion Markov), Katana (Tatsu Yamashiro), and Halo (Gabrielle Doe).

The New Teen Titans #35

Batman and the Outsiders #3 - Batman sets up his old penthouse as the headquarters of the Outsiders.

The Brave and the Bold #200

The New Teen Titans #36

Batman and the Outsiders #4 - The Outsiders continue getting to know each other and learning to work as a team.

JLA: Incarnations #4 - The legendary Justice League Satellite is permanently destroyed, marking the end of an era in JLA history. The team officially disbands for the first time since its inception and is subsequently reformed with a new roster and a new headquarters in Detroit.

The New Teen Titans #37 - The Titans meet the Outsiders. It is revealed that Terra and Geo-Force are half-siblings. Robin tells Batman that he wants to end their partnership. The two teams get together to battle the Fearsome Five. Continued in the following issue of Batman and the Ousiders...

Batman and the Ousiders #5 - Continued from previous issue of The New Teen Titans. Batman and Robin continue to have problems with one another, but in the end, Batman compliments Robin on his leadership of the Titans and the two shake hands.
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The New Teen Titans #38 - "Who Is Donna Troy?" - Classic emotional issue in which Robin helps Wonder Girl finally discover her origin.

Batman and the Outsiders #6-7

DC Comics Presents #66 - Superman teams up with Etrigan in Gotham City to defeat and ancient druid named Blackbriar Thorn.

Batman #408-409 - "Did Robin Die Tonight?" - Robin is shot in the shoulder during a fight with the Joker and Batman decides to sideline him. Later, Batman makes his annual visit to Crime Alley on the anniversary of his parents' deaths there. A homeless orphan boy named Jason Todd steals the tires from the Batmobile. Batman enrolls him in a school for boys but it turns out that the old lady who runs it is secretly teaching the kids to be criminals. Jason helps Batman take down the school and Batman takes him home to Wayne Manor.

The New Teen Titans #39 - Dick Grayson works his last mission with the Teen Titans as Robin. He then announces that he will no longer be Robin and is taking a leave of absence from the team, leaving Wonder Girl in charge. Kid Flash (Wally West) announces that he is leaving the team permanently.

Nightwing: Year One - Batman fires Dick Grayson from being Robin once and for all. Dick travels to Metropolis to speak with Superman, who tells him the legend of an ancient Kryptonian hero whose name translates as "Nightwing". Dick takes that as his new superhero name and sets out on an adventure, first visiting his old circus and encountering Deadman, who was actually spying on Dick for Batman. Dick then decides to return to Gotham City and encounters Commissioner Gordon, Batgirl, and the new Robin trainee, Jason Todd, who helps him take down the new criminal known as Killer Croc. Alfred sends Dick a new costume.

Batman #410-411 - Jason Todd officially becomes the second Robin.

The New Teen Titans: The Judas Contract - Collects issues of The New Teen Titans #39-44 and The New Teen Titans Annual #3 (1984). Dick Grayson introduces his new Nightwing persona and returns to the Titans. Deathstroke's son Jericho (Joseph Wilson) becomes a member of the team. Terra betrays the Titans and then causes her own death in a violent, insane frenzy. Note: The title of the series is changed to "Tales of the Teen Titans" at issue #41.

Batman #416 - Nightwing confronts Batman in the Batcave and they speak for the first time since Dick became Nightwing.

Batman and the Outsiders #8-10 - The Phantom Stranger makes an appearance.

Batman Special #1 (1984) - "The Player on the Other Side" - Batman encounters The Wrath.

Saga of the Swamp Thing: Book One - First volume of Alan Moore's work on Swamp Thing.

Batman and the Outsiders #11-13 - Batman reveals his secret identity to the Outsiders.

DC Comics Presents #72 - Superman teams up with the Phantom Stranger and the Joker.

Batman and the Outsiders Annual #1 (1984) - Batman tells Geo-Force the truth about how his sister Terra betrayed the Teen Titans. The other Outsiders give him a new uniform.

Batman and the Outsiders #14-15 - The Outsiders battle Maxie Zeus. There is sexual tension between Geo-Force and Halo.

Tales of the Teen Titans #45-49 - The Titans finally eliminate the H.I.V.E.

Saga of the Swamp Thing: Book Two - Features appearances by Deadman, The Phantom Stranger, The Spectre, and The Monitor.

Tales of the Teen Titans #50 - Donna Troy marries Terry Long in a lavish ceremony attended by pretty much everyone. Bruce and Dick speak at the reception and Bruce tells Dick that he is proud of him.

Batman and the Outsiders #16-20 - Halo discovers her true identity (or so she thinks). Superman makes an appearance.

Tales of the Teen Titans #51-52

Vigilante #20-21 - Adrian Chase becomes a judge. Nightwing confronts him about some murders that seem to have been committed by his alter-ego, Vigilante.

Tales of the Teen Titans #53-55 - Slade Wilson (Deathstroke) goes on trial for his crimes but he is acquitted due to lack of evidence. Changeling then confronts him alone and wants to kill him but Slade refuses to fight him and they end up having coffee together and talking it out. After a deep conversation, Changeling realizes that Slade was not as bad of a villain as they thought he was. Slade tells him that he is leaving the country and that their paths will not cross again.

Batman and the Outsiders #21-23 - Batman and the Outsiders visit the ruins of the JLA Satellite. Halo finally discovers her true origin as an ancient energy being that inhabited the dead body of a woman named Violet Harper.

Batman Annual #9 (1985)

DC Comics Presents #83 - Superman teams up with Batman and the Outsiders.

Saga of the Swamp Thing: Book Three - John Constantine is introduced.

Batman #386 - Roman Sionis becomes Black Mask.
Detective Comics #553 - "The False Face Society of Gotham"
Batman #387 - Roman Sionis' ebony mask is permanently burned onto his face.

Detective Comics #554 - Black Canary begins wearing a new outfit.

DC Comics Presents #85 - Superman meets the Swamp Thing.

Tales of the Teen Titans #56-58 - The Titans battles the Fearsome Five. Cyborg attempts get new life-like prosthetic body parts to look more human but his body rejects them. Psimon of the Fearsome Five is taken by the Monitor, who states that there will be a "Crisis on Infinite Earths" in three months. (Note: These are the final new issues of this series. Hereafter, the Titans' stories will be chronicled in a new incarnation of "The New Teen Titans".)

Batman and the Outsiders #24

The New Teen Titans: The Terror of Trigon - Collects issues of The New Teen Titans #1-5 - Raven's father Trigon returns. His evil power infects Raven and she joins him. Lilith rejoins the Titans. Titans Tower is destroyed by Trigon. Raven is seemingly killed in battle but her body later vanishes, leaving her whereabouts unknown.

The New Teen Titans #6 - The city of New York has a parade in honor the Titans for saving the world from Trigon.

Batman and the Outsiders #25-27

The New Teen Titans #7-12 - Lilith finally learns her true parentage. Her father was a mortal man and her mother is the goddess of the sun, Thia. After a visit to Olympus with the Titans, Lilith chooses to stay there and take her rightful place as a goddess. The new character Kole returns with the Titans. Also, a new Titans Tower is under construction.

Batman and the Outsiders Annual #2 (1985) - Metamorpho (Rex Mason) marries his lover, Sapphire Stagg.

The New Teen Titans Annual #1 (1985)

Crisis on Infinite Earths - All of existence is threatened by the Anti-Monitor and his anti-matter universe. All of Earth's heroes and many villains come together to battle the mutual threat. Guy Gardner officially becomes a Green Lantern. The Flash (Barry Allen) dies while saving the universe. Wally West (formerly Kid Flash) becomes the new Flash. The Titans' newest member Kole also dies.

Legends of the DC Universe: Crisis on Infinite Earths - Takes place during and after issue #4 of Crisis on Infinite Earths.

The New Teen Titans #13-14 - Ties into Crisis on Infinite Earths. Nightwing, Starfire, and Jericho begin a journey to Starfire's home planet of Tamaran.

JLA: Incarnations #5 - Ties into Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Saga of the Swamp Thing: Book Four - Ties into Crisis on Infinite Earths. In the wake of the Crisis, all of reality, including the spiritual plane, is unstable, and a secret society of male witches attempts to capitalize on this by unleashing an ancient evil to destroy Heaven. John Constantine and Swamp Thing team up with numerous magic-based characters in the DC Universe to battle the threat, including the Spectre, Dr. Fate, the Phantom Stranger, Deadman, Etrigan the Demon, Zatara, Zatanna, Dr. Occult, Sargon the Sorcerer, and Baron Winter. Changeling's adoptive father, Steve Dayton, also appears. Sargon and Zatara are killed, while Steve Dayton is driven insane.

World's Finest #323 - Final issue of the series.

Batman and the Outsiders #28-32 - A new character, Looker (Emily Briggs), becomes a member of the team. Batman leaves the team and they decide to carry on without him. (Note: These are the last issues of the series under this title. Hereafter, the series is titled "Adventures of the Outsiders".)

Adventures of the Outsiders #33-38 - The Outsiders relocate to Los Angeles. (Note: These are the final new issues of the series. Hereafter, the Outsiders stories will be chronicled in the new series titled "The Outsiders".)
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I had merely a cursory look, but my biggest issue with your timeline as a bridge between the two DC continuities lies with Catwoman. But I also think that's inevitable: first post-Crisis told us that Bruce and Selina weren't romantically involved (see Knightfall) at any point in the past, but then Loeb and Sale told us that they were...

Further, the pre-Crisis stuff has a Selina that knew Bruce's secret identity. Post-Crisis contradicts this as backstory.

But again, Catwoman's consistency is only in her inconsistency: pre-Crisis continuity veered between sexual temptress/cat burglar and romantic interest with various levels of psychological damage, only to have Frank Miller reintroduce her as a(n implied bisexual) hooker, feminist, thrill seeking thief (got that?), but Denny O'Neil's Zero Hour exists to undo Frank Miller's origin, and Flashpoint erases the romance essayed by Loeb in both Long Halloween and Hush.

Catwoman could be argued as the closest analogue to Batman through the years -- maybe even on the anima/animus schema -- so it makes sense that she has this chameleon quality. Like him, she's a reflection of the zeitgesit of whatever moment; but more than that, she also has typically been written as a reflection and commentary on him.

She's also the most consistent romantic presence -- Catwoman, unlike a Vicki Vale, will never be written out of Batman/Bruce's sphere for very long if at all -- which means that, inevitably, a writer will create a relationship at some point in the given continuity and, just as inevitably, ipso facto, this will be written out of the new timeline. There's always a new romance between the two on the horizon, but it seems that there can't be a shared history for long.

You've read the pre-Crisis stuff far more recently than I have. It's possible that I'm wrong on some of those points.

In any case, nice work.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 7th, 2012, 12:11pm »

Hmm. I hadn't given much thought to the inconsistencies with Catwoman. It's been so long since I last read Knightfall that I had forgotten about that scene with her boarding Bruce's plane and them not knowing each other. There's really no good way of explaining that, but as far as I can remember, that's just about the only instance of them being shown as strangers. I don't think it was a situation that was heavily elaborated on, so I'm willing to just overlook it. Both pre-Crisis and post-Zero Hour continuities have them as being romantically involved early on. I prefer that take on it anyway, especially since The Long Halloween is one of my favorite stories.

As for Selina knowing that Bruce is Batman in pre-Crisis continuity, I don't recall anything in my readings that suggested that she did.

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on Oct 7th, 2012, 12:11pm, TurkeyMoose wrote:
Hmm. I hadn't given much thought to the inconsistencies with Catwoman. It's been so long since I last read Knightfall that I had forgotten about that scene with her boarding Bruce's plane and them not knowing each other. There's really no good way of explaining that, but as far as I can remember, that's just about the only instance of them being shown as strangers. I don't think it was a situation that was heavily elaborated on, so I'm willing to just overlook it. Both pre-Crisis and post-Zero Hour continuities have them as being romantically involved early on. I prefer that take on it anyway, especially since The Long Halloween is one of my favorite stories.


Well, you're right that it's pick and choose. Zero Hour is arguably the beginning of contradictions in post-Crisis continuity, at least as intention.

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As for Selina knowing that Bruce is Batman in pre-Crisis continuity, I don't recall anything in my readings that suggested that she did.


I haven't read pre-Crisis stuff to any great degree in probably a decade(?). So I'd defer to you.

I do, somewhere between distinctly and vaguely, remember an issue from the early 80s that featured a jealous Catwoman attacking Vicki Vale; I remember the story outline pretty thoroughly, if not the dialogue. I could swear that she knew that Bruce was Batman.

At the same time, the issue falls into the Selina-is-bonkers category that pre-Crisis shifted to on a number of occasions. Maybe the right shock therapy made her "forget".

Or maybe I'm just remembering that element wrong.

Or perhaps it's another continuity gaffe.

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Again, I'm impressed that you went through all those issues. If only someone (in control) at today's DC cared like that.
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on Oct 21st, 2012, 05:39am, Will wrote:
I do, somewhere between distinctly and vaguely, remember an issue from the early 80s that featured a jealous Catwoman attacking Vicki Vale; I remember the story outline pretty thoroughly, if not the dialogue. I could swear that she knew that Bruce was Batman.

Actually, I think you are right about this. That was Detective Comics #521 and it's on my timeline. However, I don't remember any big revelation where he tells her or she finds out. It was just sort of quietly revealed that she knew, but I'm going pretend that part didn't happen since it's merely a conflict of dialogue. That story could have still happened exactly the same even if she didn't know that Bruce was also Batman. I'll just imagine that she didn't call him Bruce while he was dressed as Batman. rolleyes

In other news, I'm moving along nicely in my readings and hopefully I'll have another installment to this timeline shortly. I'm currently in the middle of the Legends storyline.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 6th, 2012, 11:20pm »

Finally, it's time for the first addition to my list since I opened this new thread for it. In my last installment, I had just passed the Crisis. So now I'm in full post-Crisis mode, and all the disagreements about whether pre-Crisis stuff counts at all or not can be put behind us. I've covered a lot of ground since my last update, so here we go! cheesy


The Outsiders #1-5

Detective Comics #560-561

Justice League of America #250 - Batman rejoins the JLA.

The New Teen Titans #15 - Nightwing, Starfire, and Jericho arrive on Tamaran. Starfire discovers that her father has arranged for her to be married to the son of a rival king in order to create peace on Tamaran. This causes problems between Dick and Kory.
The Omega Men #34 - Continued from The New Teen Titans.
The New Teen Titans #16 - Continued from The Omega Men.
The Omega Men #35 - Ties into current Teen Titans story arc.
The New Teen Titans #17-18 - Starfire and Prince Karras are married. Starfire and her family leave for the planet Okaara, as do Nightwing and Jericho. Nightwing and Jericho eventually leave to return to Earth.

Secret Origins #13 - While still on Okaara, Nightwing tells Jericho about his origin.

The New Teen Titans #19-22 - Dick returns to Earth, distraught over losing Kory. With the Titans now in shambles, Wonder Girl rounds up a new version of the "original" Teen Titans, including Robin (Jason Todd), the Flash (Wally West), Aqualad (Garth), Speedy (Roy Harper), and Hawk (Hank Hall). The group goes after the assassin Cheshire, who Speedy had previously had a romance with. When they encounter her, Speedy learns that he is the father of her child. Meanwhile, Raven has been brainwashed by the Church of Brother Blood. Dick finds her and is taken hostage and brainwashed as well.

The Outsiders #6-8

Booster Gold #6-7 - Superman meets Booster Gold.

The New Teen Titans #23 - Starfire fights her sister Blackfire and then leaves to return to Earth.

The Outsiders #9-12 - The teams gets involved in some issues in the African country of Mozambia. As they are leaving to return home, their plane is shot down.

Teen Titans Spotlight #1-2 - Starfire returns to Earth and finds herself in South Africa, where she is at odds with the Apartheid government.

Saga of the Swamp Thing: Book Five - Swamp Thing's lover, Abigail Cable, is charged with crimes against nature when her relationship with Swamp Thing is discovered. She flees to Gotham City but is quickly caught. Swamp Thing declares war on the city, turning it into a jungle, and comes into conflict with Batman. The city eventually agrees to release Abigail. Swamp Thing is seemingly killed and a funeral is held in Gotham, but his consciousness actually survives by transporting across the universe to a remote planet.

The Outsiders #13 - The team has been stranded on an island for three weeks after their plane was shot down. They are eventually rescued.

Teen Titans Spotlight #3-6 - Jericho is featured.

The Outsiders Annual #1 (1986) - Batman rejoins his old teammates to take on the criminal organizations Skull and the Kobra Cult.

The New Teen Titans #24-27 - Jericho and Starfire both return to the team. The team is mostly reunited after their recent troubles.

The New Teen Titans Annual #2 (1986) - The origin of Brother Blood is revealed.

Secret Origins #6 - Halo recounts her origin to Looker and also gets a new costume.

The Outsiders #14-16

Teen Titans Spotlight #7-8 - Hawk is featured.

The New Teen Titans #28-31 - The Titans take on Brother Blood and his cult. Nightwing and Raven are rescued from the cult's influence. Dick and Kory get back together.

Teen Titans Spotlight #9-10 - Changeling and Aqualad are featured.

Detective Comics #566

Batman #400

Batman Annual #10 (1986) - Hugo Strange returns once again.

Detective Comics #567

Secret Origins #2 - Ted Kord becomes the Blue Beetle.

Batman #401 - Ties into the forthcoming Legends storyline. Batman takes on Magpie.

Detective Comics #568 - Another Legends tie-in.

Secret Origins #10 - Four different possible origins of the Phantom Stranger.

Detective Comics #569-570 - The Joker kidnaps Catwoman and lobotomizes her, causing her to forget her previous romance with Batman and return to her life of crime.

Shazam: The New Beginning - Four-part mini-series. Billy Batson is given powers by the wizard Shazam and becomes the hero Captain Marvel.

Justice League of America #258-261 - Final issues of the series. Members Vibe and Steel are killed. The Justice League is disbanded by Martian Manhunter.

Legends - Darkseid plots to discredit Earth's super-heroes by turning the public against them but is ultimately defeated. The Suicide Squad is formed by Amanda Waller. A new incarnation of the Justice League is formed.

Superman: The Man of Steel: Volume 2 - Superman encounters Metallo, the Teen Titans, Professor Emil Hamilton, the Phantom Stranger, and Darkseid. Lex Luthor begins wearing a kryptonite ring to keep Superman away.

Secret Origins #14 - The Suicide Squad is officially sanctioned by the government.

The Question: Zen and Violence - Vic Sage fights crime in Hub City as the Question. Lady Shiva is introduced.

Justice League: A New Beginning - The Justice League enters a new era. This new incarnation starts out with Batman (Bruce Wayne), Martian Manhunter (J'onn J'onzz), Black Canary (Dinah Lance), Green Lantern (Guy Gardner), Captain Marvel (Billy Batson), Dr. Fate (Kent Nelson), and Mr. Miracle (Scott Free). The new female Dr. Light joins at the request of Maxwell Lord, who becomes some kind of spokesperson for the League. He also brings in Booster Gold, who impresses the rest of the team in a battle with the Royal Flush Gang, and is granted membership. At the conclusion of the this book, the team is officially sanctioned by the United Nations and becomes known as Justice League International. Batman decides to step back and relinquish leadership of the team to Martian Manhunter. Captain Marvel and Dr. Fate also leave the team. Captain Atom and Rocket Red 7 join the team at the request of the United States and the Soviet Union, respectively.

Justice League Annual #1 (1987) - Takes place in the middle of Justice League: A New Beginning.

The Weird - Four-part mini-series - Takes place before the Justice League went international but after Captain Atom joined the team, presumably somewhere near the end of Justice League: A New Beginning.

Green Arrow: The Longbow Hunters - Green Arrow and Black Canary relocate to Seattle. Black Canary is brutally tortured and loses her canary cry power.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 1st, 2013, 11:34pm »

Since this seemed like the dedicated chronology thread here I go.
This is my TPB collection arranged in DCU reading order, do you guys see anything that is out of place or would make more sense in anoter spot?
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 4th, 2013, 12:23pm »

on Jan 1st, 2013, 11:34pm, Drakul wrote:
Since this seemed like the dedicated chronology thread here I go.
This is my TPB collection arranged in DCU reading order, do you guys see anything that is out of place or would make more sense in anoter spot?


This thread discusses the perspective of a merged chronology. That is TurkeyMoose is taking two entirely seperate DCU's and merging them into one. I'm sure he can post his reasons for doing so because I wouldn't want to misquote him.

But I take the opinion that the DCU has three entirely seperate continuities: 1930s/40s-1986, 1986-2011, 2011-Present. We only have to look at the New 52 to see that we are reading very different characters with changed histories. While some of the 'events' and 'stories' remain intact in the New 52, the books as they were originally published do not exist in the modern timeline in their original format. Such as in the New 52 Batman has only ever worn one costume, and there were never any Batgirls other than Barbara. There are numerous other examples I could give, but a quick browse of this site and I'm sure you'll find a load that we have mentioned before wink

The same goes for the original Crisis, while some of the thematic beats of the history remained intact, the exact stories as published Pre-Crisis are not really compatible with Post-Crisis Continuity. Early Post-Crisis Continuity was still messy, although less messy than the fiasco we have with the New 52.

Personally I think the simplest way to read these books is to ignore any books outside of the published Continuities. Most gaps get filled in eventually, such as we have already seen retold origins in the New 52 to fill in the gaps considering the Continuity started ten years in. The same went with the Crisis. We kicked off at the start of Jason Todd, but the retold history was later filled in with Legends Of The Dark Knight etc.

Anyway, all this rambling is leading to a link: http://thebatsquad.conforums3.com/index.cgi?board=current&action=display&num=1348878315

In this thread you will find an extremely detailed discussion for the Trade Paper Back reader like yourself so you'll find your answers in there. Feel free to contribute to the discussion, I would welcome some opinions on some of the less definitively placable books.


EDIT: Some strange formatting is going on, the "minus" key (like in maths) is coming out looking like this " - ". So sorry for the confusion with how the dates are coming out in this post.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 6th, 2013, 6:44pm »

on Jan 4th, 2013, 12:23pm, Nick wrote:
This thread discusses the perspective of a merged chronology. That is TurkeyMoose is taking two entirely seperate DCU's and merging them into one. I'm sure he can post his reasons for doing so because I wouldn't want to misquote him.


My intention was never to merge multiple continuities into one. I simply hold the theory that most events particularly in the Batman comics prior to the Crisis on Infinite Earths going back to about 1970 still count in post-Crisis continuity, so therefore I include them in my timeline. My timeline is still supposed to be a post-Crisis chronology, it just includes stories published before the Crisis because they still work in the post-Crisis continuity.

I understand your disagreement, however. You hold the belief that while some of the events themselves from before the Crisis still count, the actual stories in which those events take place do not actually count. That is, the events may have happened, but they did not happen exactly as depicted in the pre-Crisis stories, and therefore you would omit those stories from a post-Crisis timeline. But in my readings I never encountered any reason within the stories as to why they could not still count post-Crisis exactly the way they are shown. Even the flaws with Catwoman's character that Will pointed out in this thread could be explained away by events that took place in Detective Comics around the time of the Legends storyline. It seems the only argument as to why pre-Crisis stories don't count is simply because of when they were published. There's just no in-story explanation as to why they should be omitted.

Besides, there are just so many important timeline events that were published in that era that need to be included in order to construct a complete timeline, which has always been my goal. That is why it's hard for me to accept your idea that "some events in pre-Crisis stories still count but not as depicted and therefore we should leave them out". If a past event is mentioned in a later story, I want to have already read the story where that past event happened, especially if said event is very important, such as Speedy's drug addiction from the early 1970s Green Lantern comics, or the early Ra's Al Ghul stories throughout the 1970s (later collected as Tales of the Demon), or the start of the New Teen Titans in 1980. I've always tried to construct my comics shelves in perfect order so that if someone who knew nothing about the DC Universe were to start at the beginning and read everything, they would read the complete timeline with absolutely no blanks. So if there is a passing mention of some mundane event in the past, I want to have the story where that mundane event took place, just for the sake of completion. It's impossible to do this without going into some pre-Crisis stuff. Another example is Robin going off to college and Bruce moving into a penthouse in the city in the early 1970s. You may say that this doesn't necessarily have to happen, as it's never mentioned post-Crisis, but there's no reason that it can't happen, and Bruce living in a penthouse is clearly depicted in New Teen Titans #1 (1980), which must count because without that the entire future of that series could not have happened. The New Teen Titans is a good example of a bridge between pre-Crisis and post-Crisis continuity. The series began before the Crisis and continued right on past the Crisis and there was never a stopping point where a new continuity began. Everything in that series before the Crisis clearly still counted after the Crisis. The same goes for the Outsiders.

What I'm trying to say is that if you really try to connect all the dots in the vastness of continuity, you inevitably end up with some pre-Crisis stories on the shelf. I'm actually not even one fifth of the way through my chronological readings. Out of everything I'm going to be reading, that pre-Crisis stuff is just a fraction, and I'm already past all of that. I like chronicling my readings here because it is fun for me and I want it to be fun to read. I never intended for my inclusion of a relative few pre-Crisis stories to spark a big debate about it. I don't want you guys to be put off of following this thread because of that. Everyone is bound to have a different interpretation of continuity and this is mine. It's all just a bit of fun. smiley
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« Reply #13 on: May 3rd, 2013, 10:38pm »

Well, here I am again. I sort of took a break from reading comics starting sometime in mid-January. I can't remember exactly why that is but I think it was rather sudden and I stopped right in the middle of a story. I think it was a combination of reading the second compendium of Walking Dead and getting caught up in a video game that took my attention away from my DC Universe readings. Anyway, I'm trying to get back into it now so I'll start getting caught up by posting all of my readings after my last installment up to where I was when I started my break.

Yes, I am aware that Arkham Asylum is generally considered Elseworlds but it's a good story and introduces a history of the asylum and its founder that are carried over into mainstream continuity, and it's not completely incompatible with the continuity, so therefore I've chosen to include it here. I'm also aware of the controversy surrounding Son of the Demon and whether it is canon or not. My general understanding is that Morrison originally intended to bring it back into continuity when he wrote Batman and Son but he messed up by not reading it beforehand and therefore some details were a little muddled. I'm including it simply for the sake of completion and to provide the historical background of Damien's birth.


History of the DC Universe - The entire history of the universe is chronicled by Harbinger, starting with the beginning of time right up through the events of the Crisis and Legends.

Batman: Son of the Demon - Talia gives birth to Batman's son, but he is led to believe that she had a miscarriage.

Arkham Asylum: A Serious House On Serious Earth

Batman Annual #11 (1987)

Detective Comics #571-572 - Batman meets Sherlock Holmes.

The Outsiders #17-18 - Batman rejoins the team full-time.

Detective Comics #573-574

Superman: The Man of Steel: Volume 3

Saga of the Swamp Thing: Book Six - Swamp Thing returns to Earth and retires to the swamp with his lover Abigail.

Suicide Squad #1-2 - The new Suicide Squad goes on their first mission.

The Outsiders #19-20 - Windfall joins the team.

The New Teen Titans #32

Suicide Squad #3

The New Teen Titans #33

Teen Titans Spotlight #12 - Wonder Girl

Superman: The Man of Steel: Volume 4

The Outsiders #21-22

Teen Titans Spotlight #13 - Cyborg

Suicide Squad #4

The New Teen Titans #34 - Dick and Kory had been on the verge of getting back together since she returned from Tameran, but it hadn't really been official until this issue.

Dr. Fate #1-4 - Four-part miniseries - Kent Nelson, who has been Dr. Fate since the time of the JSA, retires from that role and passes it onto Eric and Linda Strauss.

The Outsiders #23-24 - The Outsiders temporarily form an uneasy alliance with their adversaries, The Force of July.

Teen Titans Spotlight #14 - Nightwing travels to Gotham to save Batman after a call from Alfred. Nightwing tells Batman that he is proud to have been Robin.
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« Reply #14 on: May 31st, 2013, 2:02pm »

I've been picking up the pace with my reading over the past few weeks and I've covered a lot of ground since my last installment. I think I'm at a good place to chronicle what I've been reading so here we go.


The Outsiders Special #1 - The Outsiders meet the team Infinity Inc.
Infinity Inc. Special #1 - The team-up between the Outsiders and Infinity Inc. continues.

The New Teen Titans #35

Firestorm #62-64 - Firestorm sets out to rid the world of nuclear weapons. Captain Atom and the Suicide Squad are called in to fight him.
Firestorm Annual #5 (1987)
Firestorm #65

Batman #412 - Batman and Robin encounter the Mime. Also, Bruce speaks with Vicki Vale for the first time since their break-up.

Teen Titans Spotlight #15 - The Omega Men

Detective Comics #579 - Batman and Robin battle the Crime Doctor.

Suicide Squad #5-7 - The Squad goes on a mission to Moscow and encounters the Russian team of The People's Heroes, who have previously appeared in The Outsiders.

Vigilante #45-47 - Vigilante (Adrian Chase) encounters Batman.

The New Teen Titans #36-37 - The Titans' first encounter with the Wildebeest.

The Question: Poisoned Ground - The Question travels to Santa Prisca to rescue his friend Aristotle Rodor.

Superman: The Man of Steel: Volume 5 - Superman encounters the Joker, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Mr. Miracle, and Big Barda, among others. Also, Gangbuster (Jose Delgado) debuts.

Batman #413

Teen Titans Spotlight #16-17 - Thunder & Lightning, Magenta (Frances Kane).

The Phantom Stranger #1-4 - Four-part mini-series. Phantom Stranger battles Eclipso.

Detective Comics #580-581 - Batman and Robin battle Two-Face.

Firestorm #66 - Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) battles a confused Firestorm.

Secret Origins #21 - Jonah Hex - The body of the western bounty hunter Jonah Hex is discovered in the present day and his origin and life are recounted.

Suicide Squad #8

The New Teen Titans #38 - Infinity Inc. visits Titans Tower. Continues into next issue of Infinity Inc.
Infinity Inc. #45 - Continued from previous issue of The New Teen Titans.

Batman #414

The New Teen Titans Annual #3 (1987) - The Titans encounter the villain Godiva. Deathstroke makes a cameo appearance when the Titans go to him for information. Danny Chase joins the Teen Titans.

Superman: The Man of Steel: Volume 6 - Appearances by Batman and Booster Gold. Jason Todd (Robin) meets Superman for the first time. Superman's previous romance with Lori Lemaris is chronicled.

The New Teen Titans #39 - Dick and Kory move in together.

Vigilante #48-50 - Final issues of the series. Adrian Chase commits suicide.

The New Teen Titans #40 - Danny Chase joins the Titans on his first official case as a part of the team.

Swamp Thing: Regenesis - Swamp Thing decides to retire from his duties as Earth's plant elemental, so a new elemental is created. Swamp Thing refuses to join the Parliament of Trees, wishing to remain on Earth with Abby. Having two plant elementals in existence at the same time causes in imbalance in the "green". John Constantine attempts to help resolve the situation.

Justice League International #8 - The Justice League moves into their new embassies in several countries around the world.

The Outsiders #25-26- Metamorpho begins undergoing treatment to make his body normal again. The Outsiders' headquarters is destroyed. Geo-Force's brother, King Gregor of Markovia, is assassinated. Continues into the Millennium storyline.

Millennium #1 - The massive Millennium crossover begins here. The Guardians of the Universe select several human candidates for a new project and enlist the help of most of the Earth's super-heroes in protecting those candidates from the Manhunters.
Justice League International #9 - Rocket Red 7 is revealed to be a Manhunter.
The Outsiders #27 - Dr. Helga Jace is revealed to be a Manhunter. Metamorpho and Dr. Jace are both killed.
Firestorm #67
Superman #13 - Superman encounters Toyman.
Millennium #2
Batman #415 - Batman is attacked by a robot Jim Gordon.
Blue Beetle #20
Secret Origins #22 - The Manhunters
The Adventures of Superman #436
Millennium #3
Booster Gold #24
Action Comics #596 - The Spectre appears.
Millennium #4
Suicide Squad #9 - The Squad succeeds in destroying the Manhunters' temple in the swamps of Louisiana.
Detective Comics #582 - Batman rescues the real Jim Gordon and briefly encounters the Suicide Squad at the Manhunter temple before it is destroyed.
The Spectre #10
Captain Atom #11
Teen Titans Spotlight #18 - Aqualad
Millennium #5
The Outsiders #28 - Final issue of the series. The Outsiders disband.
Justice League International #10
Firestorm #68
Millennium #6
Superman #14 - Superman teams up with Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) to defeat the Manhunter Highmaster.
Blue Beetle #21
Secret Origins #23 - The Guardians of the Universe; Floronic Man.
Millennium #7 - The heroes destroy the Manhunters' base inside the Earth.
The Adventures of Superman #437 - Gangbuster (Jose Delgado) is paralyzed in a battle with the villain Combattor.
Booster Gold #25
Millennium #8 - The Guardians' chosen candidates are transformed into super-heroes.
Teen Titans Spotlight #19 - Starfire; guest-starring Harbinger.
The Spectre #11

Action Comics #597

Suicide Squad #10 - Batman breaks into the Squad's headquarters and attempts to shut them down.

Superman: The Earth Stealers

Showcase '94 #8-9 - The origin of Scarface and the Ventriloquist.

Detective Comics #583-584 - Batman's first encounter with Scarface and the Ventriloquist.

Green Arrow #1-2 - Dinah Lance (Black Canary) sees a therapist about the trauma she experienced during the events of The Longbow Hunters.

Superman #15
The Adventures of Superman #438 - Superman encounters Brainiac in the form of Milton Fine.
Action Comics #598 - First appearance of Checkmate.

Teen Titans Spotlight #20 - Cyborg
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