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xx Re: Rasslin'
« Reply #525 on: Sep 10th, 2006, 12:29am »

on Sep 9th, 2006, 03:05am, dudelovebaby wrote:
Regardless I'd rather see Batista hold the gold for 9 months than HHH (I'm sick of that guy, staler than a three week old bowl of piss), Orton (Enough is enough! I have had it with all these motherfucking chinlocks on this motherfucking plane.. er ring!)


Dude... you should retract the Randy Orton part of your statement. Seriously, you want Batista (the man of two holds) to be champion more than Randy Orton because Orton does too many chinlocks? Chinlocks?

Chinlocks?!

What about Orton's mic skills? What about Orton's excellent match quality? What about the fact that while Orton has a dropkick that kicks ass, a backbreaker that kicks ass, a finisher that kicks ass, a taunt that kicks ass, way above average selling ability, not to mention, that Orton is a damned rocket scientist in the ring.

I find it hilarious as well that you refer to Orton's face turn as botched. His face turn wasn't botched. Triple H took the belt from him in a month and by the time Orton got a decent rematch (2005's Royal Rumble) the decision for Triple H/Batista at WrestleMania 21 had already been made. Orton ended up being made to look like a joker with a stupid cuncussion finish because Triple H didn't want to put the kid over but was willing to lay down for his buddy Batista on three PPV main events.

Orton has had 4 star matches with Mick Foley, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Rey Mysterio, the Undertaker, Rob Van Dam, Edge. Batista has faced Michaels and didn't get more than 3 stars, faced Benoit in three matches (two of which can be considered legit matches) and if you want to be generous they were 3 star matches, faced Edge and didn't get 2.5 stars and faced RVD and didn't get higher than 2 stars. How many 4 star matches does Batista have? If I had to give him one it'd be Hell in a Cell against Triple H... other than that (a gimmick match, BTW, and one which Triple H rarely delivers poorly in) there ain't much.

There is absolutely no way that Batista should be champion more than Orton.

Triple H... sure he's had his time. JBL I just mention because he actually has one skill while Batista has none. And I don't understand how you can put Cena below Batista simply because Cena didn't get injured. Your tired of him? And Batista's okay because he's been on the shelf for the past few months? Batista's worse than Cena. They both won their first championship at WrestleMania 21 and they both dropped the championship the same week nine months later. If Batista hadn't gotten injured both men would've probably went on to WrestleMania 22 as champions.

I'll agree that I was tired of Cena too and there are about five guys on Raw who deserve the belt more than Cena does but at WrestleMania 22 and at One Night Stand Cena showed me something. He delivers on the big stages. Batista has never delivered. He's let Triple H do that for him. Not to mention that Cena can actually utilize his words to promote the hell out of matches and draw the fans into the matches whereas Batista can't do much more than be large.

But you can keep the Cena line. It's debatable. But you can not retain your statement that Batista deserves the belt more than Orton. That's insane to me.
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« Reply #526 on: Sep 10th, 2006, 05:13am »

Okay, lets see.

Batista the man of two holds? That's double Ortons submission holds.

Orton's promo history

"I'm a third generation superstar!"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"Dude Eddie's in hell!"

From January to December of last year the only words to come out of Orton's mouth where "I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker". At least Batista's promos varied. From his intensity against HHH to the comedy with Eddie.

Alot of the Orton matches you say are debatable.
Orton vs. Michaels? That was **3/4, Orton/RVD? **3/4, Benoit/Orton? ***1/4, Orton/Taker? Their best matches where ***1/2 at best, Orton/HHH? *** all three times. Orton/Edge *** and lucky to get that. I'll sport you Orton/Foley that was ****1/4 but that was a gimmick match too.

Batista is just as good in that department. HBK/Batista was ***3/4, Batista/Eddie was ***1/2 (Bare in mind both men where holding back for the rematch), Batista/HHH was ***1/4 at Wrestlemania and *** at Backlash. Benoit/Batista was ***1/4.

Let's compare shall we?

Hell In A Cell:

Undertaker/Orton. Orton did his usual stuff which totalled about 5 minutes of work, leaving Undertaker to carry the match for 35 minutes, and the poor bastard ran out of ideas after about 15. Nonetheless the effort was there. ***1/2

HHH/Batista. More action packed and far more innovative. The barbed-wire chair, spinebuster on the steps and Batista hitting the powerbomb too fast for HHH to use the sledgehammer. Loved it ****1/4

vs. HHH.

Orton: The free TV match in January. It was shorter than the other two meaning less rest time. HBK comin out of nowhere to count the three was a nice touch. ***

Batista: Wrestlemania 21. Smashmouth brawl. Non stop impact, bam bam bam. Batista powering out of the Pedigree, emerald fusioning Hunter and finishing the son of a bitch off really foreshadowed what kind of champion Batista was going to be. ***1/4

vs. HBK

Orton: A 12 minute match with a 6 minute armbar and a very crappy finish. **3/4 for HBK's selling.

Batista: A good example of David vs. Goliath. HBK trying not not succumb to Batista's power until the big man got so pissed of he demolished once he did get his hands on HBK. HBK coming back to life out of nowhere and escaping the powerbomb was a far better finish than all of orton's matches at the time which where all face hits finisher on Orton, Flair distracts face, Orton no sells finisher and hits RKO. ***3/4

vs. Benoit.

Orton: Good solid PPV match. Both men worked hard and had a good main event. ***1/4

Batista: PPV quality match that was just as good as Orton/Benoit. ***1/4

The punchline? Batista/Benoit was on free TV and riddled with commercials.

Orton has great dropkick? Batista has a great Spinebuster. Everyone has a great something.

Don't get me started on Cena.
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« Reply #527 on: Sep 12th, 2006, 01:15am »

on Sep 10th, 2006, 05:13am, dudelovebaby wrote:
Okay, lets see.

Batista the man of two holds? That's double Ortons submission holds.


That was a pun based on Malenko's "Man of a Thousand Holds" moniker. I wasn't actually saying Batista knew two holds (although, I'm sure that's about as many as he's used in the past two years). In any event, one can hardly argue that Batista has used more submission holds than Randy Orton. Additionally, I think both of us will agree that this should be marked off as a mute point. In order to be a good wrestler, it isn't necessary to know a lot of submission holds. It's my fault for bringing it up. I withdraw my comment about Batista knowing two holds if you withdraw your comment about Orton knowing none.


on Sep 10th, 2006, 05:13am, dudelovebaby wrote:
Orton's promo history

"I'm a third generation superstar!"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker"

"Dude Eddie's in hell!"

From January to December of last year the only words to come out of Orton's mouth where "I'm going to kill the legend of the Undertaker".


I'm sure we can both agree that the length of the Orton/Undertaker feud was entirely unfair to both men. And that'd be why Orton said he's going to kill 'Taker's legen so much last year. I'll get more into this in a second.


on Sep 10th, 2006, 05:13am, dudelovebaby wrote:
At least Batista's promos varied. From his intensity against HHH to the comedy with Eddie.


Alright. Here's the difference. Batista feuded with Triple H and Eddie Guerrero. Both of these men can hold their own on a microphone. Both of these men were on the show every week. Orton feuded with the Undertaker. The Undertaker rarely bounces much back at you. Orton had to, from March to December, create new things to say about the same guy who wasn't talking back to him and was rarely even on the program. I'm sure you can see the degree of difficulty in what Orton was doing. Not only that but Batista was involved in mini-feuds with Christian, Edge and Muhammad Hassan in addition to the Big Show and Kane on Raw while also tagging with Rey Mysterio and feuding with MNM at the end of the year. During all this time Orton feuded with the Undertaker. I'm sure anybody'd run out of stuff to say about a guy who was rarely on the show and didn't add anything (conversation-wise) to the promos other than a lightning bolt here and there.

Finally, redundancy does not reflect promo ability. The Rock, for instance, has said, "if ya smell-lalalalalalala what the Rock is cookin'," at the end of every promo since 1998 but we can all agree that he's genius on the mic.

Steve Austin has used the audiences "hell yeah's" and "whats" as crutches.
Undertaker has said, "rest in peace."
Triple H wants you to see, "the king of kings... back on his throne."
Booker T is a "5 time 5 time 5 time..."
Edge wants you to know that "you can bank on that."
"That's how" Christian "rolls."
"Hulkamania's gonna run wild on you"

In Orton's case, he did a great job of getting over as a heel without X-Pac heat by annoying people with his banter about killing Undertaker's legend. Orton did a great job and does a great job.

In the end, promo skill comes down to acting. Orton makes you feel what he's saying way more than Batista who comes off as either monotonous or emphasises the wrong words in his promos. Batista is no good with a microphone in front of his face. Batista wasn't funny. Eddie was funny. Batista wasn't intense. Triple H was intense.


on Sep 10th, 2006, 05:13am, dudelovebaby wrote:
Alot of the Orton matches you say are debatable.
Orton vs. Michaels? That was **3/4, Orton/RVD? **3/4, Benoit/Orton? ***1/4, Orton/Taker? Their best matches where ***1/2 at best, Orton/HHH? *** all three times. Orton/Edge *** and lucky to get that. I'll sport you Orton/Foley that was ****1/4 but that was a gimmick match too.

Batista is just as good in that department. HBK/Batista was ***3/4, Batista/Eddie was ***1/2 (Bare in mind both men where holding back for the rematch), Batista/HHH was ***1/4 at Wrestlemania and *** at Backlash. Benoit/Batista was ***1/4.


The fact that you gave Michaels/Batista a higher rating than all of Orton's matches excluding Orton/Foley and Batista/Eddie a ***1/2 (when the match sucked and ended in a pair of spinebusters) and Batista/Triple H at WrestleMania ***1/4 very strongly makes me question what you're basing your reviews on. Usually, your reviews are great. I trust your reviews. But this is not reasonable. Also, Orton/Edge from Vengeance 2004 was one of the best matches I'd seen, and at least ****, when I first saw it (around February 2006). I've watched it many times since then and it's still just as good.



on Sep 10th, 2006, 05:13am, dudelovebaby wrote:
Let's compare shall we?

Hell In A Cell:

Undertaker/Orton. Orton did his usual stuff which totalled about 5 minutes of work, leaving Undertaker to carry the match for 35 minutes, and the poor bastard ran out of ideas after about 15. Nonetheless the effort was there. ***1/2

HHH/Batista. More action packed and far more innovative. The barbed-wire chair, spinebuster on the steps and Batista hitting the powerbomb too fast for HHH to use the sledgehammer. Loved it ****1/4


How many bad Hell in a Cell's has Triple H had? None. Undertaker? More than one. Batista didn't impress me at all against Triple H. I gave Triple H all the credit for that match. The sledgehammer finish was complete garbage. Why? Because Batista held the powerbomb for entirely too long and made it look like crap. This is a perfect example of how Batista gets put with guys that are actually good and does nothing to add to the match other than what the good wrestler would have done with any other big guy... the difference? Triple H beats the Big Show and Kane but lets Batista win because he's his buddy. You could have subbed Batista with any big guy and had the exact same match. He added zip.


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vs. HHH.

Orton: The free TV match in January. It was shorter than the other two meaning less rest time. HBK comin out of nowhere to count the three was a nice touch. ***

Batista: Wrestlemania 21. Smashmouth brawl. Non stop impact, bam bam bam. Batista powering out of the Pedigree, emerald fusioning Hunter and finishing the son of a bitch off really foreshadowed what kind of champion Batista was going to be. ***1/4


You compared a free TV match to a WrestleMania match and Batista only won by a quarter star and you consider that good for Batista? Let's compare any Shawn Michaels/Kurt Angle match to Michaels/Angle from WrestleMania 21. No comparison. Batista not only had a main event spot at WrestleMania, his opponent was his buddy who wanted to make him look fantastic and he didn't do much better than Orton did on a free match on Monday night. That sucks for Batista.


vs. HBK

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Orton: A 12 minute match with a 6 minute armbar and a very crappy finish. **3/4 for HBK's selling.

Batista: A good example of David vs. Goliath. HBK trying not not succumb to Batista's power until the big man got so pissed of he demolished once he did get his hands on HBK. HBK coming back to life out of nowhere and escaping the powerbomb was a far better finish than all of orton's matches at the time which where all face hits finisher on Orton, Flair distracts face, Orton no sells finisher and hits RKO. ***3/4


Orton/Michaels was every bit as good as Batista/Michaels. Orton/Michaels had a crap finish Batista/Michaels had a good finish but was a crap match. A huge difference in these two matches is the fact that WWE saw fit to let Orton beat Michaels where they thought Batista didn't deserve to go over the old man.


on Sep 10th, 2006, 05:13am, dudelovebaby wrote:
vs. Benoit.

Orton: Good solid PPV match. Both men worked hard and had a good main event. ***1/4

Batista: PPV quality match that was just as good as Orton/Benoit. ***1/4

The punchline? Batista/Benoit was on free TV and riddled with commercials.


Now, if it was riddled with commercials how can you make that comparison? What if Batista botched eight moves in a row during the break? Also, what if they got all of the boring rest holds out during the break and saved the good moves for airtime? That's unfair. Orton had to have the camera on him for the entire match and delivered just as good without commercials to help him. Somehow you drew the conclusion that commercials hurt the wrestlers where they actually help them a lot. That's a good five minutes of garbage time you can get out of the way and only have to do good stuff f
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« Reply #528 on: Sep 12th, 2006, 01:21am »

for when the cameras are on.


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Orton has great dropkick? Batista has a great Spinebuster. Everyone has a great something.


Batista doesn't have a great Spinebuster. Farooq had a great Spinebuster. Booker T had a great Spinebuster. Hell, Triple H has a great Spinebuster. Arn Anderson had a great Spinebuster.

Orton's dropkick requires him to get air. Batista does something that four people I just mentioned did better than him. Let's see half the WWE roster deliver Orton's dropkick.

I also noticed you didn't mention his backbreaker. That's called innovative. Batista could learn a thing about that. How many moves has Batista done that you haven't seen Nash, Kane, Big Show, Goldberg or Brock Lesnar do? I can name a few moves that each of those guys have done that none of the others have but Batista? Nothing original.


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Don't get me started on Cena.


I won't. But he does deserve the belt more than Batista.
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« Reply #529 on: Sep 12th, 2006, 03:32am »

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You compared a free TV match to a WrestleMania match and Batista only won by a quarter star and you consider that good for Batista? Let's compare any Shawn Michaels/Kurt Angle match to Michaels/Angle from WrestleMania 21. No comparison. Batista not only had a main event spot at WrestleMania, his opponent was his buddy who wanted to make him look fantastic and he didn't do much better than Orton did on a free match on Monday night. That sucks for Batista.


That's a two way street. Considering Orton/HHH had two PPV main events together as well. HHH/Orton are buddies as well if you hadn't noticed. Wrestlemania main events don't mean shizzle anymore as far as quality goes. HHH/Cena this year was ***1/2. Undertaker/Angle was ****3/4 and that was at No Way Out.
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« Reply #530 on: Sep 12th, 2006, 9:56pm »

Y'know, I'm getting too caught up in this Batista thing. I'm actually pretty happy with the hierarchy in wrestling right now. Guys like King Booker, Big Show and Edge are champions. I like that. The number one contenders are Sabu, John Cena and probably Benoit, Undertaker or Mysterio. Batista's entering a feud with Finlay which drops him to about third on the ladder. If Cena goes to SmackDown(!), he'll probably go against King Booker over there leaving Edge to face some new blood like Carlito or Shelton Benjamin or maybe even Randy Orton. If Cena wins, he'll probably face somebody new or Randy Orton. Triple H and Michaels are where they should be, entertaining without holding down the new guys. RVD is also working his way up to the Big Show match that people are waiting for.

The scene is nice now. My gripes about Batista were last year.

Also of note, Christian being heel on TNA kicks ass. I'd forgotten how much I liked Christian while he was a face. Now that he's heel again he's reminding me of what a talent TNA grabbed from WWE.
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« Reply #531 on: Sep 12th, 2006, 10:19pm »

I just found out that JBL is both a Triple Crown and a Grand Slam Champion (sine the US Championship is considered as a suitable replacement for the Intercontinental Championship. JBL has never won the IC Title.)...

...this is depressing.
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« Reply #532 on: Sep 13th, 2006, 02:17am »

That's why I didn't mention any 2006 matches. Unfortunately since returning, Batista has sucked big time. I saw his matches against King Booker, botchtastic!

Orton's had a decent year having two ***1/2 matches with Benoit (Both would've been **** if there was no commercials), two ***+ matches with Rey Mysterio (The second once again was close to **** but commercials reared their ugly heads again) , ***1/2 with Kurt Angle at ECW ONS. Unfortunately I've only seen most of those once on TV


I'm going to have to edit my top ten because I just saw ECW ONS II again.

Original:

Angle/Taker. No Way Out. ****3/4
Flair/Edge. TLC. RAW Jan. ****1/4
Edge/HHH/Cena. Backlash. ****
Taker/Angle. Smackdown March. ****
Money in the bank. WM 22. ***3/4
RVD/Benjamin. Backlash ***3/4
Benoit/Booker. No Way Out. ***1/2
JBL/Mysterio. Judgement Day. ***1/2
HHH/Cena. Wrestlemania 22. ***1/2
Elimination Chamber. ***1/4

New one:

Angle/Taker. No Way Out. ****3/4
Flair/Edge. TLC. RAW Jan. ****1/4
Edge/HHH/Cena. Backlash. ****
Taker/Angle. Smackdown March. ****
Money in the bank. WM 22. ***3/4
RVD/Benjamin. Backlash ***3/4
Benoit/Booker. No Way Out. ***1/2
Angle/Orton. ECW ONS. ***1/2
JBL/Mysterio. Judgement Day. ***1/2
HHH/Cena. Wrestlemania 22. ***1/2

Batista's best match this year so far is at **1/4. And he's had three matches against Mr. Kennedy and two against King Booker.
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« Reply #533 on: Sep 13th, 2006, 11:51am »

on Sep 12th, 2006, 9:56pm, midLfinger wrote:

Also of note, Christian being heel on TNA kicks ass. I'd forgotten how much I liked Christian while he was a face. Now that he's heel again he's reminding me of what a talent TNA grabbed from WWE.


Yeah, Christian is gretness as a heel

He's been pretty much fucked over in TNA though. His title reign was completley overshadowed by the Jarret/Sting shit. The focus is always on Jarret and whoever he's feuding with. I just know Jarret is gonna be the one to end Joe's streak angry

Honestly, Triple H has nothing on Jarret. I'm sure he thinks the hatered for him is cause he's such a great heel, which is totally not the case. People hate him because he' always has to have the belt, even though he;s not over, never has been and never will be. He'll be the death of TNA
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« Reply #534 on: Sep 13th, 2006, 4:46pm »

on Sep 13th, 2006, 11:51am, Chaos wrote:
Yeah, Christian is gretness as a heel

He's been pretty much fucked over in TNA though. His title reign was completley overshadowed by the Jarret/Sting shit. The focus is always on Jarret and whoever he's feuding with. I just know Jarret is gonna be the one to end Joe's streak angry

Honestly, Triple H has nothing on Jarret. I'm sure he thinks the hatered for him is cause he's such a great heel, which is totally not the case. People hate him because he' always has to have the belt, even though he;s not over, never has been and never will be. He'll be the death of TNA


I was okay with it for a while because Jarrett was actually the top guy for the role of heel. That changed when I first got introduced to Samoa Joe who was way over with everybody and could wrestle better and had that whole undefeated streak. Joe was obvious choice for top heel. Christian came in but he was face. They, for some retarded reason, decided to make Joe face (I haven't seen much from him as a face so I don't know if he's better as face) when I thought he was doing great and would be top heel. Now Christian's a heel and he's definitely the guy that should be on top instead of Jarret. Oh, and Sting shouldn't be #1 contender either. With guys like Christian, Joe, Styles, Daniels, Rhyno, Raven and even Konnan I don't know why they rely on Steiner, Sting and Jarrett for main events.
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« Reply #535 on: Sep 14th, 2006, 03:41am »

I have to pay for TNA cry
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on Sep 14th, 2006, 03:41am, dudelovebaby wrote:
I have to pay for TNA cry


What do you mean?
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« Reply #537 on: Sep 14th, 2006, 5:52pm »

on Sep 13th, 2006, 4:46pm, midLfinger wrote:
I was okay with it for a while because Jarrett was actually the top guy for the role of heel. That changed when I first got introduced to Samoa Joe who was way over with everybody and could wrestle better and had that whole undefeated streak. Joe was obvious choice for top heel. Christian came in but he was face. They, for some retarded reason, decided to make Joe face (I haven't seen much from him as a face so I don't know if he's better as face) when I thought he was doing great and would be top heel. Now Christian's a heel and he's definitely the guy that should be on top instead of Jarret. Oh, and Sting shouldn't be #1 contender either. With guys like Christian, Joe, Styles, Daniels, Rhyno, Raven and even Konnan I don't know why they rely on Steiner, Sting and Jarrett for main events.


I think Abyss could've easly been the top heel at that time. He's a decent big man, and has probably the best manager around today in Jim Mitchell as a mouth piece

Joe was never really heel, more a tweener. He gave Daniles a muscle buster on a chair and the crowd were chanting "one more time". People just can't bring themselfs to boo him cause he's so good.

Os course Sting shouldn't be the #1 contender (the last PPV match was fucking awful), but they gotta some how make it look lthey're getting some sort of return from that $500,000 year long deal they signed him to.

As for the others

Christian - Should be top heel no doubt
Joe - The company should be built around him. The retarted if they can't see this
Styles/Daniles - I'm really liking there tag team. They works so well together, so not bothered about them not being in the world title picture at this point
Rhyno - He's been really good recently. He's an intense fucker and i think his fued with Christian should be good
Raven - With his thyroid problem he's really not in any condition to be main eventing PPV's. He should booking the show though. He has an amazing mind for the buisness.
Konnan- Good god no. He's not wrestling these days anyway. I beleive he has a hip problem or something. He's much better as the mouth piece of LAX


Steiner has actually been decent in TNA. They have used in really well, and he had a really good match with Joe a few PPV's ago. Not that that's hard to do, but still

Sting i've already covered......and that leaves Jarret. He's always going to be in the main event and have the most time for segments. He owns 25% of the company. No other heel has the TV time to try and get over cause Jarret takes like 10-15 mins of the show nearly every fucking week.

TNA have a lot of problems right now. Some is the shitty booking that's been going for a while now, but there biggest problem is Jarret. If there even going survive for more than another 2 years, they have to get rid of Jarret, as he's proved time and time again that he only cares about himself.

It's good to have some non WWE talk in here grin
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« Reply #538 on: Sep 15th, 2006, 03:09am »

I've noticed a few things I'd change about TNA.

First, the booking isn't terrible. I think they should try and have only one Ultimate X match a year. I'm excited about the tag title match but it could've easily been a ladder match. It seems like just last week Christopher Daniels was telling Samoa Joe that Joe couldn't climb to the top of the X and now he's telling LAX. On the subject, I'm not sure what kind of matches TNA has. I know the Ultimate X and the Six Sides of Steel but aside from those they all seem like Hardcore matches with different stipulations. Is there something more original?

I have to say that one of the worst things on Impact every week is the videos vignettes. Whoever cuts these things *cough* Jeremy Borasch *cough* does an extra shitty job. I get more dizzy than anything. The clips are cut together awkwardly. They don't seem to make much sense either. He usually relies on a conversation a wrestler was having and shows clips based on what they said but a lot of times the clips will have little or nothing to do with what they said or what they said wasn't enough to actually tell you what the wrestler was talking about so you get a clip without knowing what the clip is really showing you. I hate when I see a guy like Christian talking about something and the clip goes to poses of Christian doing nothing but standing in front of a blue screen for a quick second. It just distracts. I've always hated these clips from my very first time watching TNA and I still do.

Another flaw is that they seem be bent on bringing in old WWE/WCW talent. The James Gang, for example, is a whole lot less than entertaining. They get these guys who can't go much higher than the lower mid-card because you don't want your young talent losing to the James Gang but beating the James Gang doesn't really make the younger guys look good. It just makes the James Gang look old. The guys are beating jobbers every week and couldn't beat AMW (who I am not too fond of either). So you got these guys who you don't want as champions because they're yesterday but you don't want them losing because it crushes their cred. In the end you get what you see on TNA. The James Gang vs. the Jobbers every week. The same is true for Team 3-D, Kevin Nash, Sting and Jarrett (except Jarrett beats the guys who are good).

The whole point of these guys is the fact that they are established talent but TNA seems to be blind to the fact that the guys who are the most over aren't Jarret, Sting or Team 3-D. The guys who are most over are A.J. Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels and Christian Cage. The young guys are the real stars but guys like the above mentioned are getting the camera time.

One thing I liked was Nash as a sort of manager to Alex Shelley and Johnny Devine. Let's face it, Nash isn't near where he was in '95 and that's expected (it was 11 years ago) but there's no question he's still great on the mic. That's what he should be doing. Have him manage somebody the way Konnan puts LAX over big-time.

I do have to say that I was happy with his war on the X-Division simply because I'm not a big fan of the X-Division. That's another problem.

The X-Division is like a huge spot-fest. It's not a situation where guys are trying to put on entertaining matches. Guys are trying to do cool moves. That's fine but Samoa Joe isn't the greatest X-Division champion of all time because he did cool moves. Joe is great because he knows the science involved with putting on a great match (just look at his Wrestling Observer awards). The majority of the X-Division doesn't know how to put on a great match. All they know how to do is show a pretty move or two here and there. I find it hard to sit through X-Division matches on Impact. The problem has become larger because the company has become over-saturated with guys who know nothing (or don't care about) the science in the ring and are resorting to flashy moves to "TRY" and give a good match and in the end all they gave me was one memorable move where I could've walked away thinking of an incredible match.

I hated the tag team situation a few months back but A.J., Daniels and LAX have made that do a complete 180. I'm frusterated with the NWA title situation (BTW: They should definitely buy a bigger belt). Sting and Jarrett wouldn't have done it for me in 2000. It definitely ain't doin' it for me in 2006. I say give Christian the belt and let him run with it as a heel. Have him feud with Styles, Daniels and Joe. Jarrett only has it because without it his character is completely lost.

One huge thing I'd change is Don "You fucking suck" West. This guy is terrible. It pisses me off how Mike Tenay'll be talking about something and the camera's on them and West attempts to look inquisitive which for West means grabbing his chin, squinting his eyes and nodding. I feel like slapping him in the face. Then he decides to yell at every freaking move that gets done like it's the only time in history it's been done. Yeah, Don, it was a DDT... relax.

I agree with you about Raven's mind for the business. I think Konnan has a great mind for it, too. He's done a great job of promoting LAX and rarely does a poor promo. Nash is also good (as long as he's not in the storyline).
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xx Re: Rasslin'
« Reply #539 on: Sep 15th, 2006, 03:23am »

on Sep 14th, 2006, 4:42pm, midLfinger wrote:
What do you mean?


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