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« Thread started on: Oct 30th, 2012, 3:26pm »

First Marvel, now Star Wars.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/disney-buying-lucasfilm-4-05-billion-200845002--finance.html
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 31st, 2012, 02:28am »

This can turn out very well or horrible. At least we do not have George Lucas at the helm of Star Wars. Like he says himself in the article: the new generation of filmmakers can work on Star Wars now. I feel there are better suited people available now than a guy who would make Greedo shoot first.

On the other hand, Lucas was (for better or for worse) always protective over Star Wars. Lucas would always try to maintain some form of quality, misguided or not. With company Disney in control, that will no longer be the case. Episodes 7, 8 and 9 cannot be a surprise to anyone since they were always planned for (my father told me when I was a child that the three Star Wars movies we watched were only parts four to six and that there were three movies before and three movies after the ones we watched). Yet, the announcement that after the final trilogy, they will probably make a new Star Wars movie every two to three years, has me worried. Star Wars is something special to a lot of people -- I hope they put quality people on the projects to have it turn out great. I do not want them to solely ride on the name "Star Wars."

As always, we can do nothing but wait and see. I still wanted to have my say about this first tidbit of news.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 31st, 2012, 05:03am »

The only good thing that can come of this is that with no more interference from Lucas, Disney might want to make some quick and easy money, and the easiest way to do that is to release the REAL Star Wars Trilogy on Blu Ray.

The only way I would want to see future films is with traditional special effects, matte painting, miniatures, real sets etc etc, an entire film without any CGI. I despise the modern reliance on CGI that has killed the art of cinema over the years.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 31st, 2012, 09:33am »

For me, the story is told. The Anakin/Vader schism, light/dark, new-trilogy-as-old and vice versa, with the central character both being the films' savior and antagonist, worked as throughline. Lucas' thematic (cosmological/political) interests in his prequel trilogy, along with allusions/parallels to things, say, like The Trojan War or Leibniz's Theory of Monadology bring an underlying weight and textual heft to movies that are problematic in other ways.

The Six Episode outline makes a great deal of sense, and I think will only be drowned in franchising with the move beyond Anakin/Vader. Lucas turned the character into the cliched but effective image/avatar of the Sun (god) -- he's the center of that universe, and though there may be a second sun/son there certainly isn't a third.

What will direct sequels be but addendums or asides? It's pointless at best, subversive at worst.

Everything we've complained about as far as DC Inc. will now become the case with Star Wars. Though they redefined the blockbuster, in truth every major studio really wants to follow the Bond Model; this will be that, only less personal.

A flood of films as merchandise. Sequels, sequels, sequels. Then reboots. Then remakes. Then reimaginings.

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 31st, 2012, 1:09pm »

I'm going into this with a positive outlook. Lifelong SW fan. Can't get enough. I read the comics, the novels, etc. Haven't paid much attention to the new Clone Wars cartoon, but will get the dvds when the series is over.
There is creativity out there. There are good film makers. There are good ideas. This is the Mouse's new flagship. They aren't going to put out a shit product.
I'm looking forward to what ever is coming up. Whether it be a "true" episode 7, or something that takes place elsewhere on the timeline.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 31st, 2012, 4:02pm »

on Oct 31st, 2012, 1:09pm, snipe wrote:
I'm going into this with a positive outlook. Lifelong SW fan. Can't get enough. I read the comics, the novels, etc. Haven't paid much attention to the new Clone Wars cartoon, but will get the dvds when the series is over.
There is creativity out there. There are good film makers. There are good ideas.


The bolded points have a number of meanings, though. And not always agreeable with each other.

Atomized, it's a fantastic idea for Disney to own Lucasfilm and the attached franchises. It's a financial boon, and could, alone, keep Disney going for decades, not that it would be likely to come to that.

But artistically? Look at the DC point, either alone or extended to the standard of film, there's a great deal to protect beyond artistry or respect -- there's brand synergy as fulcrum of company strength.

So far as branding and franchises mixing with top talent, a close analogue to this situation may be The Godfather. Coppola may have been the best director of the 70s -- arguably the best decade in film -- yet returning to the series is generally thought of as a disaster, in hindsight. Why? Because Michael's story was told. It was made for profit, purely.

I feel similarly about where Star Wars is at. Ironically, I'd be happier, short term, if they made movies that had little to do with Lucas' Saga: in other words no continuation after Jedi of story structure. Anakin's story is not only told, but further sequels would seem likely to undermine the narrative/thematic/character arc of the the earlier films.

Further, you can have a great filmmaker on a major franchise and have less than stellar results. A more particular example, even though I like the film and its confused cuts, is Fincher's Alien 3 -- the point here would be studio interference crowding out artistic intent.

More directly, though Favreau is arguably a far more pedestrian filmmaker both as a stylist and storyteller, his ability to make a solid sequel was never allowed with Disney's Iron Man. Why? Corporate branding for The Avengers mattered more. This sort of cause and effect is a rampant if not constant element from the executive branch.

Disney may be on a roll commercially, but their record with Marvel, in my opinion, has been more miss than hit as an artistic venture.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe. But I think the Saga is over. And rather recently, so did Lucas -- at least publicly.

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This is the Mouse's new flagship. They aren't going to put out a shit product.


Disney will do everything they can to protect corporate synergy, and brand relevance. That doesn't necessarily bode well for quality, or have much to do with it.

In other words, instead of a Saga, insular, Star Wars is now officially a franchise.

I'm not a blinded zealot when it comes to Lucas or what his interests were -- in his own words, he became a corporate head -- but he's also the creator of the universe and within the film setting did not saturate or abuse the market with releases or go beyond the bounds of relevant storytelling.

There's nothing to match that now. Instead, the story, as corporate and "artistic" balance, has been flipped.

All that said, I hope something good comes from this. However, inevitably, I believe it will be abused as a corporate marker, and that this will happen onscreen rather than on store shelves. The uniqueness of Star Wars as an independent brand is now gone, and we're already hearing from Disney how things will change.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 1st, 2012, 09:33am »

Not to sound snippy at all here, guys, but am I the only one who watches and reads for ...enjoyment? Without trying to analyze everything?
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 1st, 2012, 5:35pm »

Well, it depends on what you find enjoyable. If you find the analysis of a movie (or another type of media such as comic books) enjoyable, then the analysis is part of the fun.

I guess it's the same with comics, continuity and why we all hate the New 52 reboot: it's not that stories themselves are worse or better -- they're still enjoyable. It's that these stories don't make sense if you analyse the characters and the entire universe they occur in.

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In any case, I enjoy watching all six Star Wars episodes, despite Jar Jar Binks and despite Hayden Christensen's performance in Episode Two (I could stomach it in Episode Three). 2015 is a while into the future and I will happily look forward to Episode Seven. It still has the possibility to become enjoyable.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 30th, 2013, 6:41pm »

So. Abrams, huh? This is why I find the Lucasfilm sale to Disney compounding: a saga that is centralized over six films with the protagonist/antagonist dichotomy of Anakin/Vader is now going to be artificially revived and extended for...what reason? It's a dumb question if it isn't rhetorical. And Abrams is the perfect answer to that rhetorical question.

He's not terrible, I suppose. At least so far as mainstream recycling. He's a corporate mediocrity extending this franchise in that very direction, I'd bet. Everything he's ever made has been a milquetoast retread or remake; kind of like buying Bud Light instead of Heineken.

He's safe. And if there's going to be another trilogy grafted onto a series that is, at least, thematically coherent and narratively closed, there likewise needs to be someone in charge a bit more daring. But this is Disney. And worse, it's Disney with this big franchise that it needs to protect.

So why the fuck am I even bothering to point out the obvious? I suppose that's another rhetorical question.

As it is, I don't think Abrams is that impressive with story or character, though he's wildly -- or is that fulsomely -- praised for both. Watch a season of Alias or that abomination MI:III, then tell me what notable character work you can find in either; soft lighting and pop music after an action scene is evidently some sort of signifier of character drama and complication.

Star Trek is a decently self-aware remake that is arguably dumbed down and hyped up relative to characterization and devoid of a big idea...it's film about bloodlines, with a postmodern opening that bookends with Kirk's death from Generations (see, the franchise is reborn. get it?). It ultimately is a film that pretends it's boldly going forward by limply going back ("where no one has gone before", natch), and manages little more than a meager dual-narrative about lost parents for Kirk/Spock with some Holocaust implications painfully shoehorned in.

Is Star Wars known for character depth? Not really. But the films work as both broken pieces and brilliant archetype when taken as a whole. Lucas understands mythmaking and revealed himself to be antipodal to his own work with the prequels, to positive effect for both trilogies. He made three commercial and at times infantile prequels with a deft understanding of fate, and intertexual postmodern structure through that; they surface-read (often plot points/holes) as stupid, but their visual density and thematic depth is quite intelligent.

The charm with Lucas was that, at least with the prequels, even when he tried to be trendy he merely managed clunky. On the other hand, I'd much rather see a filmmaker that creates a 21st century franchise spectacle with Harryhausen and John Ford on his mind, rather than Abrams' pedestrian Gen X allusions and lifts.

Worse for Abrams, Lucas is a great visual storyteller that understands lighting, framing and movement -- he knows how to mount big shots and explore what's in them dynamically. Abrams has developed somewhat, but he often shoots small, like he's doing tv.

Still, I'm glad he got it instead of Snyder. What a perfectly inoffensive choice.

I think that's what offends me.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 18th, 2015, 08:15am »

Man, i am so excited for ep7. New teaser was awesome (i want that chrome trooper lol) Fells like star wars again cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 8th, 2015, 1:06pm »

So, Han Solo spin off film

Meh, not interested in this or the rumoured Boba Fett one at all


Still very excited for ep 7 though

And can y'all do me a favour and Vote for Revan here http://www.starwars.com/news/poll-vote-for-the-next-star-wars-the-black-series-6-inch-figure

Not that i think it'll make much difference. It's blatantly rigged for that Sabine, who they just added for no reason
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 8th, 2015, 2:22pm »

I voted for Revan for you. If I had ever stumbled across that poll myself that's the only one I'd have voted for anyway so happy to do it, I'd probably even pick him up if he was made. Was hoping it might be a type your own request poll, Tenel Ka never had any merchandising love.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 8th, 2015, 3:00pm »

Thanks man cheesy

They asked a load of fan sites to get people to write in who they wanted and could be anyone expect ep 7 chracters. And then after a few rounds (i think that was it) they would tally it all up and top 6 would go into the final poll and whoever wins gets a figure in 2016. At least that's how it was suppose to go. They suddenly added this Sabine, i guess because they wanted a female character in, though from looking at about 2/3rds of the votes from various sites the top two female characters (and were also in the top ten) were asajj ventress and mara jade. On Monday it was around 38/40% for Revan and Sabine was about 16%....and then suddenly overnight she had nearly double her percentage. So, yeah, it's rigged for sure imo. Just question on how far are they going to go. Fully and have her win? Or get her within a percent and the say cause got so close we'll make her too......even though she shouldn't even be on there in the first place


Hope they've been rumbled now and Revan rightly wins. Probably only chance to ever get him in this line.
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 9th, 2015, 02:36am »

Hmmm, definitely sounds very suspicious. Either there are a lot of children voting on this thing or, like you say, it is rigged. I'd never even heard of Sabine, don't care for the current Expanded Universe. Original Trilogy and Expanded Universe up until 1999 are my area of expertise, films, books, games, etc etc. The Prequels really killed my obsession and I wasn't a hardcore Star Wars obsessive from about 2000 onwards. I would still consider myself hardcore about Star Wars 1977-1999 (not Special Editions or Episode I) though, and a select minority of Post-2000 video games such as JKII, KotOR, Rogue Squadren II.

If I'd know and was given total free vote, I'd have definitely voted for the unloved Tenel Ka (and if they wanted a female character, she has never been done officially in any line, unlike most others). Kyle Katarn, Revan and Bastila would have been Top 5. I'll have to think who would have been my final choice into Top 5 with me.
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 9th, 2015, 10:35am »

I'm quite a big fan. When i first heard about novels (many years after they came out lol) set a
fter jedi i almost lost my shit. Read the thrawn books and loved them. And then it just got out of control and bloated. Then the prequels happened and yeah, they were what they were. And then was pretty much it for big interest

I really did enjoy the clone wars series though. Very hit and miss for first few seasons, but from season 3 it gets very, very good. My faves were ones that focused on the clones. Very impressive how they devloped them and even though there identical, they gave them there own personalities and character. Probably the best example of this is the umbara arc

And then the whole disney sale thing happened and now very optimistic about ep 7 and what not. Hope this no new trialer being shown at the comic con friday is just them wanting a surprise. Still lot of time for that later of course, but be very welcome to have a full trailer and get an idea of wtf is going on

I found about about this fan poll from watching one of the stars merch reviewers on youtube and then forgot all about it until was searching to see if there was any news on the next black series 6 inch wave which took me to jeditemplearchives.com who were one of the sites involved. By then it was already down to the final round though

My list would've been Darth Revan, Darth Talon, Darth Bane, 501st clone trooper, Jedi Master Ima-Gun Di and Captain Keeli

Currently Revan is back up to 40% and Sabine 28%. Ends right before the star wars comic con panel. If they are going to make her win, i would think they'll slowly add the votes over next 24 hours.

Noticed in the comments quite a few people are questioning how no one is getting any votes except her. I think they've been rumbled lol
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