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« Reply #30 on: Dec 20th, 2015, 6:11pm »

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I saw it last Friday, in 3-D, although I would have preferred the ''regular'' version.

I must say I was relieved; I really liked it, even though the bar wasn't set that high after the prequel trilogy, right? wink In all seriousness, although the movie felt somewhat forced here and there, I was really into it from the beginning, and the opening crawl and soundtrack only were enough to engage me. Can't wait for Episode VIII (May 2017...)

I'm eager to hear what your opinions are.
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« Reply #31 on: Dec 23rd, 2015, 08:15am »

*Also Spoiler Free until we agree not to be*

I needed to let this settle for a few days. Overall I'm fairly neutral, leaning towards not liking. My biggest real issue with it so far was that I was bored. Oh this is far superior to those fake Star Wars films of last decade. I did not feel disgusted, I did not feel sickened, I did not feel raped. I was bored, but I was not offended.

Sadly my showing was 3D (and being a dodgy 3D computer conversion rather than natively filmed with two cameras means it messes with my head), so I need to watch it in 2D to fully take in the production value and make a proper decision. But I'll be waiting for a rental on that. I won't buy it next year, I'll wait until the inevitable Trilogy box set in a few years time.

From a story point, it was a remake of the original film, it was beat for beat and thematically identical. That's why I was bored. I would have preferred a bit more ambition.


Brief opinions:

  • Many people criticise Rey being too perfect. Personally I liked seeing her hit the ground running rather than another slow burn from nothing, I was glad to just get on with it.

  • I liked Rey in general. I thought her acting was poor, but the character was nice enough.

  • Many people criticise Kylo Ren being a whiny Vader fanboy. I liked that too, it differentiated him. I liked his tantrum outbursts in comparison to Vader's restrained ruthlessness.

  • I liked Oscar Isaac. Really expected him to turn out to be a bad guy, because it's Oscar Isaac. But he was very charismatic, as he always is.

  • I did not like the [saved for later]. I expected it, and it made sense from a story stand point. But doesn't mean I have to like it.

  • This was clearly made as a first part of a trilogy. I felt like too much backstory was being held back. It might work better going back to the beginning with knowledge of the complete trilogy. But at the moment I was a bit frustrated with all the obvious hints and teases without actually revealing anything. It meant too many characters came across as utterly superficial with no real depth, which I think as an individual film taken alone really harmed it. Again, in a wider context as a chapter I think this film will fare a lot better, but as a standalone it is a bit weak and frustrating.


Nick's predictions to follow when we go full spoiler.

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Anyway, got a couple of friends working on getting hold of the Harmy De-Specialized Editions of the original Trilogy which they'll share with me, really looking forward to that, I'm holding off the urge to watch my official DVDs with the 1994 Laserdisc transfers.
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« Reply #32 on: Dec 25th, 2015, 8:39pm »

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Anyway, got a couple of friends working on getting hold of the Harmy De-Specialized Editions of the original Trilogy which they'll share with me, really looking forward to that, I'm holding off the urge to watch my official DVDs with the 1994 Laserdisc transfers.


I recently tracked down Harmy's de-specialized editions of Star Wars; he is currently working on ''finishing'' Return Of The Jedi (it will be v2.0); Star Wars (A New Hope) is currently v2.5 and Empire is v2.0. They look amazing!
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 25th, 2015, 8:52pm »

on Dec 25th, 2015, 8:39pm, masahikotahara wrote:
I recently tracked down Harmy's de-specialized editions of Star Wars; he is currently working on ''finishing'' Return Of The Jedi (it will be v2.0); Star Wars (A New Hope) is currently v2.5 and Empire is v2.0. They look amazing!


I still don't understand this. They've been released. They're the "bonus features" in the next to last DVD set that was put out 7-8 years ago.
Or, there's dozens of Laserdisc > DVD transfers out there.
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« Reply #34 on: Dec 26th, 2015, 05:52am »

Guys, I think I might just not be nerdy enough. I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't have a problem with either the prequel films or the changes made to the originals. Sure, all of the originals are better than any of the prequels, but if we stop trying to compare them, the prequels are not as earth-shatteringly horrible as everyone seems to think.

I just got the Blu-ray collection of the complete saga. Well, I ordered it myself and let my dad pay for it since I couldn't think of anything else I'd want him to buy me. tongue After seeing The Force Awakens last week I've got Star Wars fever again and really wanted to re-watch all the other films and decided to upgrade to the Blu-rays. I've already watched Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones tonight/this morning. The extreme overuse of CGI is quite noticeable and distracting, especially in Clones, but as a narrative they're okay. Not good, but not that bad.

I think I'm going to watch Clone Wars before I move on to Revenge of the Sith. I downloaded the animated web series which I'll probably start watching right after posting this, and the newer 3D animated series and film are on Netflix. I'm not sure what connection, if any, they have with each other but I'll just watch them both since I've never seen either. Then after Revenge I might try out the Rebels 3D animated series which comes before New Hope.

I also wouldn't mind reading the new comics from Marvel that are set after New Hope since I've heard they're pretty good and apparently in continuity. But I don't think I'll bother reading them in order with this viewing of the films. I'll just stick to the visual media for this revisiting of the saga.

Also, my dad has been saying he wants to watch the movies since he's never seen them and knows nothing about them. For that, I'll definitely have him watch the originals first. Or I might try out a variation of this "Machete order" I've read about (IV, V, I, II, III, VI). I was just going to wait to watch them with him, but I'm always up all night and just couldn't wait to start watching. For myself, I chose to just start with Episode I and go in order since I've already seen them all anyway and I know what happens. But for a new watcher, I think this Machete order looks good, so I'll probably view them with him in that order whenever we get around to doing so.

I might even go see Force Awakens in the theater again after watching them all. cool
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« Reply #35 on: Dec 27th, 2015, 5:15pm »

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I still don't understand this. They've been released. They're the "bonus features" in the next to last DVD set that was put out 7-8 years ago. Or, there's dozens of Laserdisc > DVD transfers out there.

The original theatrical versions were not from a high-quality source, but were rather the transfers used for the 1993 Definitive Collection LaserDiscs, (with the original title crawl spliced in, replacing the updated crawl created for the 1981 theatrical re-release). The video transfers were in letterboxed widescreen, not anamorphic widescreen. The video also had excessive grain, low contrast, serious aliasing, and motion smearing. (Motion smearing is when moving objects are blurred and leave behind a trail of their own shape. This was the result of the use of digital video noise reduction, or DVNR, a primitive video cleanup technique used in the 1990s when the LaserDiscs were made.) The audio mixes were Dolby 2.0 (stereo) surround audio tracks, including various audio changes unique to the 1993 mixes.
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« Reply #36 on: Dec 27th, 2015, 8:44pm »

So, it was the laserdisc formatted to DVD. It's like watching it on VHS basically. Still, that's what I had when I was a kid. Works for me.
Last time we watched, we did these versions (4-6), then 1-6 on Blu.
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« Reply #37 on: Jan 31st, 2016, 2:46pm »

Hey guys. After about a month, I finished my little re-viewing of the Star Wars saga, and I ended up including a bunch of extra stuff besides the features films. Since I'm obviously a big fan of chronology and timelines, as evidenced by my ridiculous DCU timeline, I've decided to post a little recap of everything I watched/read in chronological order. I ended up watching/reading everything that is officially canon since Disney took over (excluding prose novels; ain't nobody got time for that). Most of the comics were downloaded digitally. So without further ado, here is what I've been up to for the past month.


Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones

Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003-2005 animated shorts) - Episodes 1-21

Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008-2014 animated series) - 6 seasons, including the film, viewed in the recommended narrative chronological order.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars (Story Reels) - 8 unfinished episodes that were in production at the time of cancellation.
Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir (graphic novel)

Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003-2005 animated shorts) - Episodes 22-25

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

Star Wars Rebels (2014-present animated series) - 2 seasons; second season still in progress. All episodes released thus far have been viewed.
Star Wars: Kanan #1-9 - Ongoing comic series set during the Rebels TV series, focusing on flashbacks into Kanan's life before the show.

Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope

Star Wars: Princess Leia #1-5 (of 5)
Star Wars: Lando #1-5 (of 5)
Star Wars: Chewbacca #1-5 (of 5)

Star Wars: Darth Vader Annual #1
Star Wars #1-6 - "Skywalker Strikes"
Star Wars: Darth Vader #1-6 - "Vader"
Star Wars #7 - "From the Journals of Old Ben Kenobi: The Last of His Breed"
Star Wars: Darth Vader #7-12 - "Shadows and Secrets"
Star Wars: #8-12 - "Showdown on the Smuggler's Moon"
Star Wars Annual #1

Star Wars: Vader Down #1 (of 1) - Part 1 of "Vader Down"
Star Wars: Darth Vader #13 - Part 2
Star Wars #13 - Part 3
Star Wars: Darth Vader #14 - Part 4
Star Wars #14 - Part 5
Star Wars: Darth Vader #15 - Part 6 (conclusion) of "Vader Down"

Star Wars #15 - "From the Journals of Old Ben Kenobi"

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi

Star Wars: Shattered Empire #1-4 (of 4)
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« Reply #38 on: Feb 4th, 2016, 11:19am »

A couple of friends finally hooked me up with the DeSpecialized editions.

This is the way it was supposed to be.

Only complaint so far is the coloured lightsabers in Star Wars, because they were originally white, but I can deal with that. It is called Star Wars with no pissing subtitle or number, wonderful.

These are currently the only versions of the film anybody should watch, and unless we ever get official Theatrical Blu-Rays, this will remain the case.
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« Reply #39 on: Feb 4th, 2016, 2:39pm »

Frankly, I find attitudes like yours to be utterly pretentious and narrow-minded.
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« Reply #40 on: Feb 4th, 2016, 3:47pm »

Hardly, I've previously described just a miniscule amount of how the changes have degraded what was previously a great series. Every time I look I find more.

Again today another contradiction to the 2004 change to Vader not knowing he had a son:

Obi Wan: "Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough..."

In the original this had the duality of:

1) Anakin wanted Luke to follow him as a Jedi.
2) When Luke is old enough Vader wants him by his side to overthrow the Emperor.

Another aspect wiped away.
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Furthermore, just look at the documentary about these restorations where Harmy talks about the Oscar winning special effects being covered up with (bad) modern CG incongruous with a 1977 film and the Oscar winning editing being broken up.

Pretentious? Only to a barbarian.
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« Reply #41 on: Feb 4th, 2016, 4:32pm »

I just mean, who the fuck are you to tell me or anyone else what are "the only versions of the film anybody should watch"? I'm sorry, but did you write Star Wars? I'm not the biggest fan of Lucas in recent years but if there is anyone in the world who has a right to go back and change things about his creation, it is him. Perhaps him making so many changes to the old films was a bit overzealous and unnecessary, on that we'll agree, but it's his story and he can do what he wants with it. I'm sick of people like you on the bandwagon talking about how the modern changes "ruined" Star Wars. He updated them to the way he wanted them. End of story.

I just got done spending a month rewatching the entire saga (see above), including all the stuff people like you choose to pretend doesn't exist, and I thoroughly enjoyed all of it. So you're telling me I shouldn't have? Or that I'm a "barbarian" because I did? Are you insinuating that I am unsophisticated because I enjoy the complete saga and all the extra stuff in between? And you have the audacity to try to describe why nobody should enjoy anything about Star Wars except for the three original films in their original unedited versions? Yes, damn right that is fucking pretentious. But that's pretty much par for the course for you.
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« Reply #42 on: Feb 5th, 2016, 12:57am »

You're the one who started throwing the insults around here, quite frankly I feel no need to attack you personally, but I felt barbarian was a quite appropriate description for a person who has no issue with the destruction of a work of art. How would people react if the Mona Lisa was deliberately destroyed, and a new version created on a computer was hung in the Louvre? I'm sure some people would take great offence.

If I'm on the bandwagon then I was one of the people getting that thing moving in 1997. I watched the so called Special Editions a lot of times 1997-1998, then soon went back to the originals, and everytime they were re-released the changes increased. In twenty years I've honestly never met anyone who actually likes Star Wars to disagree with me, many even pointing out bits I had not picked up on. But hey, I never really discussed Star Wars on the internet, anything can happen here.

What I think you don't understand (and I know you'll correct me if I'm wrong on this), is the reason people get so angry about this stuff is because no choice is given. Many films have multiple versions, but the viewer is given the choice, very select examples being:

Alien: Hardly a beloved film of mine, but I really appreciate the cinematography and the beauty of those long lingering tracking shots. They are butchered for increased pacing in the update, even Ridley Scott has come out and said his original version is better. Oh well, Blu-Ray has both.

The Exorcist: The update added some okay scenes, and some not so okay scenes too, and some terrible visual overlays. Blu-Ray has both.

Lord Of The Rings: Short(er) Version, Long(er) Version. Both readily available.

It's A Wonderful Life: There is the original version, and the colourised version, Blu-Ray has both.
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If the Star Wars films were readily available on good quality DVDs and Blu-Rays in BOTH versions, people who obsess about them far more than the average viewer could and would grumble about the changes, but get on and watch the originals quite happily without all the vitriol.

I want to watch these films with the beautiful practical effects. The love and effort that was put into making those miniatures is quite special, but they have all been pasted over with CG versions in the current releases. And I want to watch the films with their original unchanged scenes where the story ties together nicely. Not with modern changes that not only undermine character arcs, but blatantly contradict what was said earlier, creating massive plot holes not previously there. And yes, as someone who appreciates the art of film making I feel that they should be watched in their pure form, where the talent is so apparent. But like everyone else, I would be a lot happier if everybody had the choice to do that.

So go ahead, insult me for that. Or don't.
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« Reply #43 on: Feb 5th, 2016, 07:22am »

The thing about the Mona Lisa is that Da Vinci is not around to make changes to it. But if he was, that would be his prerogative. We're not talking about someone else coming along and making changes to Lucas' creation. It's the original creator himself making adjustments to his work over time. There's really nothing wrong with that.

However, I will say that I wouldn't have a problem with there being an official release of the films in their original state, so you'd have a "choice", as you say. But keep in mind that you'd be watching versions of the films that are no longer canon. See, you're looking at this whole thing from too much of an artsy perspective, talking about the art of film making and practical effects, etc. I appreciate film making as well, but Star Wars isn't exactly Citizen Kane or the Godfather. I'm looking at it as the epic saga that it is. I don't intend to sit and watch just three movies and weep over how beautifully-made they are. Now I'm not looking at it as just mindless action movies either, mind you. But I'm just not concerned with all these technical details that you seem to be. I appreciate the larger narrative that the original films are a part of. And that's what it's all about: a narrative. I just want to watch a story. I'm not going to be like "oh, look how cool that effect was".

And speaking of the narrative, everyone knows that at the time the first film was made, Lucas had not yet realized that he was writing the middle part of a larger narrative. During the production of the first film, the idea that Vader was Luke's father wasn't even thought of yet! It was only during the production of Empire that Lucas retconned that in and established that Obi-Wan had been lying to Luke about his father in the first film. So they were filling in plot holes right from the beginning. And really, if you watch the whole thing from beginning to end, including the animated TV shows, the new comics that are canon, and basically everything that I listed in my above post, it puts a whole new perspective on it and you'd see that everything actually ties together quite nicely. But I realize that you are not looking for a new perspective because you're stuck in the past, so I'm wasting my time with that suggestion.

And this is ironic because you're the one that has denigrated my take on DC continuity in the past because of my inclusion of some pre-Crisis stuff in the early portion of it, saying, "Personally I think the simplest way to read these books is to ignore any books outside of the published Continuities." Well, I'd say the same thing goes for the Star Wars franchise. The original versions of the films are no longer the official canon; the most recently released versions are, along with everything else listed here. And see, that's the nice thing about Star Wars compared to DC; there is an official list of everything that is canon so there can be no question about it. But I understand that you're stuck on this romanticized idea of the original trilogy as fine masterpieces and only care to view those in their archaic format, which is totally fine, and I agree that they should be released that way for folks like you to enjoy.

But as someone who just watched the entire canonical saga (excluding novels) from start to finish over the course of a month and thoroughly enjoyed it, I have to say that you're really missing out. All the extra stuff really ties it together nicely and gives a newfound appreciation of the prequels. You should really give the new comics a try. That moment where Vader is standing on Geonosis and someone asks him if he's ever been here before, and Vader remembers kissing Padmé there. Chills. Or that moment in Shattered Empire, set shortly after Return of the Jedi, where Leia is on Naboo, and she momentarily finds herself standing in the exact spot that Darth Maul stood decades earlier in Phantom Menace and she senses it. Ah, but I'm wasting my time. You carry on enjoying your movies.
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« Reply #44 on: Feb 5th, 2016, 07:54am »

No more need to argue then, I'm sure we both have better things to do than argue with people we've never met, we've both made our points. cheesy

I personally got the same "chills" as you from the old Canon, which fully involved Lucas' original prequel notes as to be futureproof, but he threw them out and rewrote it all in the 1990s. His original origins for Boba Fett for example held much more emotional resonance to me, which I'm more than happy to point you in the direction of where to find, I know where to find the Disney Canon info.

You are correct about the Anakin/Vader retcon, that's why I love the most diehard of all the Star Wars obsessives who argue Star Wars is the only true film ans all the others happened in an alternate universe. Those guys are awesome!

My view on Star Wars will not change, I love the original Canon that was official before the changes commenced, the current one does not have the same attraction to me.
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I will say over the years I've come round a bit more to your DC opinions, but that is a discussion for another day.
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