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« Reply #45 on: Jul 17th, 2016, 12:15pm »

on Jul 11th, 2015, 3:54pm, Chaos wrote:
And Revan won the poll, though big shock because the poll was "so tight" (In the end Revan won by 13%, guess in Hasbro universe that's close?)


I saw Revan at the Star Wars Celebration in London today. He wasn't for sale sadly, he was just there as a preview and stated for sale later in the year. He looks good. cheesy
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« Reply #46 on: Dec 13th, 2017, 11:02am »

so, ep 8. i have a really, really bad feeling about this. Just don't fuck up Luke angry
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« Reply #47 on: Dec 13th, 2017, 7:54pm »

Nah, it's going to rock as long as they don't kill Chewbacca.
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« Reply #48 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 3:09pm »

Nick didn't like it. rolleyes
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« Reply #49 on: Dec 14th, 2017, 4:14pm »

on Dec 13th, 2017, 7:54pm, snipe wrote:
Nah, it's going to rock as long as they don't kill Chewbacca.


He should've gone with Han and the falcon in some sort of blaze of glory

I don't see what purpose he serves without Han, apart from them saying, "hey it's Chewie from those films you loved....now go buy a crap load of merch"

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« Reply #50 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 7:25pm »

JTurner954 liked it. cheesy
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« Reply #51 on: Dec 15th, 2017, 10:30pm »

I went in with zero hype. No spoilers, I'd only seen the first trailer and maybe some tv spots. Just a lifelong fan of the franchise.
Biggest disappointment since prom night.
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« Reply #52 on: Dec 16th, 2017, 03:54am »

It is like Disney had a focus group of 8 year olds and asked them to come up with the story, they threw out all their favourite scenes from the original trilogy in random order and Rian Johnson tied it together in the most basic of plots. While Force Awakens was a remake, at least it had a plot with a narrative and arc. This is a 'best of' clip show that acts as a 2h30 post credits scene to Force Awakens. Break it down and we're not really any further forward than we were when that film ended. Characters haven't really grown or developed beyond the end of the last film, and neither has the situation.

It's hard to call it lazy, it's almost like Disney went to great lengths to extinguish any originality and play it as safe as conceivably possible. Just give people more of the same, they like that and won't be upset. Originality is dangerous and must be avoided, people don't like change.

The story is so bland, impressively so. With all the infinite possibilities they could explore, we end up with a recycled plot of the original trilogy in badly stitched together scenes with cardboard characters and the loosest of overall story that never goes anywhere. It is simply Empire 2 vs Rebel Alliance 2. Seriously, is that the best you can come up with? The original 1977-1998 Expanded Universe continuity had numerous more interesting ideas (and yes of course some less interesting ones too). Oscar Isaac is the only one with a shred of character, but that's glossed over as much as possible. Nobody in this film acts or talks like a real person, they are just two dimensional puppets going through the painfully generic motions, I guess we don't want to alienate audiences by asking them to engage their brains and think, that doesn't make money. It is a film expertly devoid of ambition.

The 'humour' is full on Disney Marvel - ie shit. And that final scene with the 'inspired child' can fuck right off. Goddamn, did George Lucas ghostwrite the saccharine embarrassments in this film?

It will make a lot of people happy simply because it gives them what they liked before. But I do wonder once all the hype of this trilogy dies down and people look back on it, will they see this film as the utterly redundant clip show that it is?

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Did I hate the film? No. Was I thoroughly bored? Yes.

If Force Awakens was the first Star Wars film I had ever seen, and this was only the second, I think I would regard it much more highly. As it is, it was far too familiar, and as stated, didn't really advance the plot. Rey is still powerful, Revan 2 is still conflicted, Andy Serkis (sadly, despite so much promise) never went anywhere, Finn is still running about being a buffoon. The Empire 2 vs Rebel Alliance 2 is in the exact same situation it was at the end of the last film too. Yes, it was a post credits scene, a bloody long post credits scene.

Since watching, I have read many angry fans hating on the criticism saying people only hated it because it was too original... What film did they watch?! Everything they praised as original was lifted from the original trilogy! The most common praise was the commentary on good vs evil and who are really the good guys and who are really the bad guys? Sorry, it was dealt with far more heavy handed here so you might have missed it before, but that's exactly what the original trilogy did. I have had long discussions about this with friends: Ignore all the subsequent and additional material, take the original theatrical versions of the trilogy as they were 35-40 years ago and nothing else. Star Wars opens telling us the Empire are evil and the Rebel Alliance is good. Sure, but how do we know our narrator (said by Lucasfilm to be R2D2) isn't biased or lying? Sure the Death Star is questionable, but we don't know what the Rebel Alliance has done to necessitate such a big crackdown from the Imperial government? The Rebel Alliance could easily be the terrorist group trying to bring down a stable economy and unity in the galaxy. Yes, later material negates all of this philosophising by making it all far more black & white by removing all the subtleties and making it cartoon villains vs dashing heroes, but it doesn't change the legitimacy of this critique when viewing only the original material in isolation. In short, I'm just saying The Last Jedi doing it now is not new, people just didn't notice it before when it wasn't explicitly stated. I guess Disney fully succeeded though; people clearly didn't see it before, and I said earlier that asking audiences to engage their brains doesn't make as much money, and look at how much money this film is making as it bludgeons people over the head with the concept now. wink

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Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight still remains the best live action Star Wars footage since the 1980s. And more original than Force Awakens/Last Jedi too. I did like them giving Luke some of the Kyle Katarn abilities though. They will never use actual Kyle because he is too overpowered for them to think he is worthwhile because he would have the entire First Order wiped out in half an hour, but that would be very entertaining to watch.

Please surprise me with the next one, take me to places and concepts new...
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« Reply #53 on: Dec 16th, 2017, 06:01am »

I fucking hated angry

It was uttelry abysmal and so, so boring. Two thrids of the film is just pointless and serves no purpose. It coud've been an hour and done what they cleary so badly wanted

I actually walked out near the end (guess when) and tried to get a refund

The last Insult would've been a more apt title......because that's what it was, a fucking insult

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« Reply #54 on: Dec 16th, 2017, 3:52pm »

I pulled out all my Timothy Zahn books and am going to do some reading.
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« Reply #55 on: Dec 29th, 2017, 3:39pm »

Alright, enough time for some SPOILERS.
It rambles, this is off memory from seeing it on opening night. I do plan on seeing it again.

SPOILERS BELOW


what I didn't like:

Part 1: the space battle
>Bomber ships which utilized gravity. In space. The bombers we saw previously going after the Falcon in the asteroid belt had propelled "bombs." They weren't just dropped.
>laughoe not being executed (or at least detained) for treason. He should have been. Period. If he was important enough to not be executed, he was important enough to be in on the plan. I applaud that Leia demoted him initially for disobeying orders.
>The First Order ships not just destroying the "rebel" ship. That's a tired trope. They easily could have. Zoom around, attack from multiple sides. Instead, "nah, just keep shooting and let them slowly bleed out and/or escape." Same as a villain monologuing.
>The hologram transmission from the cantina lady who had possession of the lightsaber in e7 (Maz? not important enough of a character for me to remember her name) - there were multiple camera angles of her ... within a phone call. Did she have cameramen following her around during a fight? Was it some sort of galactic reality show?
>The side plot to the casino planet. COMPLETELY unnecessary to the progression of the film. If you cut out the entire plotline, the film would have ended the same. Again, if Poe was executed / detained, they would have been in better position and this would not have occurred.
>Why didn't the resistance (which is somehow different than the republic) use one of their other evacuated ships to hyperspace into the flat deathstar before they let them be destroyed? They got destroyed anyway. If that's a weapon in the arsenal, why not utilize it earlier in the fight?
>The entire movie took place during a slow-speed space chase. It was like OJ in the white Bronco. The cops were just waiting for it to run out of gas.

Part 2: Luke & Rey
>Tossing the lightsaber. Seems out of character for Luke. I know he's been away from human contact for some time, but that just seemed odd. She knows who he is, it's not like he can play silly Yoda to her.
>Milking the creature. This is along the lines of a dick & fart joke. It just didn't feel right in a SW setting. It was very Jar Jar to me.
>Rey being able to swim. She's from a desert planet and in the previous film remarked something like "I didn't know there was this much green in the entire universe." Where she grew up, water was a huge commodity, so she would never have had any swimming experience.
>Kylo's shirtless scene. WTF? The director stated this was to show that they could see each other during their telepathic connections, but that's all he could come up with? Had it been the other way around, activists would be attacking Disney. I thought we wanted equality.
>The nun caretakers of the temple. Again, very Jar Jar to me.
>Rey receiving ZeRo training, yet being more or less full Jedi. The prequel Jedi were schooled from an early age, then paired with a teacher in a one-on-one environment before they were "knighted." Luke was trained by 2 masters, albeit briefly, then had years to learn on his own (and perhaps with the aid of Yoda, Obi-wan, and Anakin force ghosts). Rey didn't know what the Force was or that Jedi actually existed two days before this movie started.

Part 3: the salt planet
>The airships with ground rudders. Why build an airship that wasn't stable unless it was slowed down by ruddering itself to the damn ground?
>Rose crashing her ground-rudder ship into Finn's. They were neck-and-neck on the attack run, but her ship was magically faster and able to veer off and hit him from the side without him slowing down? Then they both survived?
>How did Kylo think for a minute Luke was there? (1) His beard was no longer gray and long. It was trim and dark. Did he have a razor and some Jedi Just For Men? (2) He was using the lightsaber that was ripped apart in a previous (Snoke) scene. (3) He wasn't kicking up red salt / sand when he moved like everything else.

Part 4: villains
>Snoke's background: (a) I understand one of his Force strengths is telepathic communication of some sort, but where did he encounter Ben Solo and bond with him? (b) How did he come to power? He's obviously old, old enough to have existed during the Empire, but nothing is stated. I know we got no background on Palpatine until the prequels, but there weren't previous films when he was introduced, so we didn't *need* to know his background. We have "prequels" to this story already, so we should know at least something. Was he military prior? Was he a politician? Again, if this were the first two films, I don't need to know where he came from. This is 7 & 8. He's *the* major player.

Part 5: heroes we know
>Chewbacca's uselessness. He was just there as background.
>C3PO's red arm that he made such a big deal of in e7 is gone. And e7 was only a few hours before e8. Real time.
>Leia flying through space. I understand that she's a Force user. She's obviously had some training with her brother and son being Jedi. I also made note that they went out of their way to show that the ship was shielded and she was behind that shield. I understand new Force powers and love the theory, it just sucked as a scene and looked terrible.
>The mention of Admiral Ackbar dying in the explosion. Just a mention. That's all he deserved?
>Luke is a goddamn hero. I understand that his mentors went into hiding and "gave up," but I feel like he should be better than that. He insisted he could feel the good in Vader when no one else would even consider it, and refused to kill him at risk of his own life. Then he honestly considered murdering his nephew / student IN HIS SLEEP WITHOUT TALKING TO HIM FIRST because he felt the dark side in him? Then just gave up on him? He never bothered to confront him, try to bring him back? No apology?

>Going forward, the entirety of the so called resistance can fit in the Falcon. That puts the next writer / director in a pickle if the "good guys" are going to win. It almost felt like this guy said "F all this, I'm going to destroy everything that's happened before so that the next guy will have a crappy sandbox to play in." Like when a comic writer is getting fired and he knows it. Blows up a bunch of stuff as an F-you to the publisher and next writer.

what I liked:
>Rey not having a background. Awesome. The Galaxy is huge, not everyone needs to be related. The Jedi of the Old Republic were taken from their homes at a young age and were not allowed to marry / have children. Bloodlines are not necessary for Jedi / Force manipulators.
>Luke invoking the prequels by mentioning Darth Sidious and the failure of the Jedi (council) at that time.
>The crystal fox things looked really cool.
>The porgs were not overly Jar Jar or a part of the plot. Just kind of scenery.
>The explanation that the Force rises and falls in a sort of balance. Snoke & Kylo rise in the dark, Rey and other children rise in light. Snoke dies, Luke starts using the Force again.
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« Reply #56 on: Jan 1st, 2018, 07:06am »

I felt disappointed in The Last Jedi.

Everything seems to have been said already, but I have two main gripes

First, Luke Skywalker felt completely out of character. He is so dismissive and disrespectful of not only Rey but of his entire Jedi heritage. Luke is the prototypical, exemplary Jedi to many of us, yet he spits on the Force. Even if I could accept his willingness to kill Ben Solo after sensing some Dark in him, I still did not want to see Luke of all people stand ready to strike down a child, especially one under his care.

Second gripe is that Finn's subplot (visit to the Casino World and infiltration of the starship) was completely unnecessary. If Poe had just been involved in the plans of Vice Admiral Holdo, the Resistance would probably be way better off.

I left the theatre in disbelief. This is the first Star Wars film that I truly did not like. The characters did not feel like Star Wars characters. The story did not feel like a Star Wars story.
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« Reply #57 on: Feb 14th, 2018, 11:20am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ

just going to leave that right here...
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« Reply #58 on: Yesterday at 08:59am »

That does actually make more sense than the 'story' of the pointless waste-of-time non-event that we actually got...

How the film was actually written in four gifs:

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