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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #60 on: Oct 29th, 2005, 07:35am » |
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Did Batman Returns include the deleted scene with Marlon Wayans playing "Robin?"
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« Reply #61 on: Oct 29th, 2005, 5:17pm » |
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Nope. I get the feeling that Burton had no intention of ever putting Robin in the films. He said that he hates "wasting" footage that will be cut so he tries to manage it carefully, but it probably has as much to do with giving himself more control; that way it's likely more difficult for the studio to recut or change the dynamic of his films. In that same vein, he didn't film any Robin footage -- if such scenes existed, even if he had no intention of ever using them, the studio could force them into the finished film.
Plus, of course, this would be illogically wasteful.
Then again, there was always that rumor -- and I don't want to give credit where it doesn't belong, or take it away from Breyfogle at all, as I simply don't know the truth -- that Burton helped to design the Robin III costume.
Why do the Japanese get the best art?
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #62 on: Oct 30th, 2005, 01:59am » |
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Oh, I forgot to mention. Clooney stated the Batmann character was and will always belong to Michael Keaton.
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #63 on: Oct 30th, 2005, 04:57am » |
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on Oct 29th, 2005, 5:17pm, Will wrote:| Why do the Japanese get the best art? |
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I personally still like the R2 boxes the best, although the same logos, I feel they are cleaner and a higher quality design than the Japanese ones there.
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on Oct 30th, 2005, 01:59am, dudelovebaby wrote:| Oh, I forgot to mention. Clooney stated the Batmann character was and will always belong to Michael Keaton. |
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At least he got one thing right then  .
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #64 on: Oct 30th, 2005, 6:31pm » |
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He said he couldn't play a dark Batman because he would have no chance of matching Keaton.
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #65 on: Oct 31st, 2005, 10:29pm » |
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on Oct 30th, 2005, 04:57am, Nick wrote:I personally still like the R2 boxes the best, although the same logos, I feel they are cleaner and a higher quality design than the Japanese ones there.
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Can't agree. I was never that blown away by the R2 versions, but my jaw dropped the second I saw the Japanese boxes. More streamlined and a better font. There's more of an artistry.
Plus I look at them and think of Hershey's chocolate milk. I'm talking the whole milk, not that 2% knockoff they've been filling our shelves with more and more.
on Oct 30th, 2005, 6:31pm, dudelovebaby wrote:| He said he couldn't play a dark Batman because he would have no chance of matching Keaton. |
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That's an odd statement from an actor, yet it fits Clooney. Who I like, mind you, but isn't all that talented as far as craft in front of the camera.
All the people that said he'd make a "great" Batman with the right material? Never believed it. B&R in its own sad way was the right material for George.
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #66 on: Nov 1st, 2005, 04:01am » |
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Stumbled upon this quote on Robin from Burton:
But I thought originally Robin was supposed to be part of "Batman Returns."
There was always talk about it. But for me, at the end of the day, I felt like I couldn't go there. It just didn't feel right with who the character was. The whole point of him is that he's repressed and he has a lot of issues and he's hiding in a cave. If you bring somebody else to live with you in a cave it turns in more into—I don't know—a caveman movie.
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« Reply #67 on: Nov 1st, 2005, 04:48am » |
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I understand all that but why did he hire Marlon Wayans? That seems a bit more wasteful than wasting film. Also, it's kinda mean too.
"Hey, kid, you got the job."
"Really?"
Months later Marlon is waiting next to his phone while Batman Returns films. WB pays him for sitting next to a phone. Not to mention that Wayans was also signed for Forever (from what I hear) and was paid for not appearing in that too.
I heard that he filmed one scene with Robin fixing the Batmobile (presumably the one with Bruce fixing it now). Ah, well... Guess I'll never know.
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« Reply #68 on: Nov 1st, 2005, 04:52am » |
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Your point is noted. But mean or not, these types of games are played in the system -- and people get used. At the same time Marlon was handsomely rewarded for basically doing nothing other than signing a contract.
I don't know if Burton was in a bind with the studio or not -- who knows how much they were breathing down his neck to include that character? At the same time it's been known -- hell, just by looking at the finished film -- that Burton was given almost unheard of creative freedom on the project.
I don't know where the absolute truth lies so far as much of any of it. Other than Burton's own words which are at best ambivalent about the character and otherwise are usually outright dismissive in his disdain for the thought of ever using him.
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« Reply #69 on: Nov 1st, 2005, 05:52am » |
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Man, I'd love for that to happen to me in Begins 2. Hell I'd turn up to the set to definitely sneak all you guys in. It'd be worth getting caught just to see Will absolutely own Goyer, while midL and me steal the Tumbler.
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #70 on: Nov 2nd, 2005, 04:53am » |
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on Nov 1st, 2005, 04:52am, Will wrote:Your point is noted. But mean or not, these types of games are played in the system -- and people get used. At the same time Marlon was handsomely rewarded for basically doing nothing other than signing a contract.
I don't know if Burton was in a bind with the studio or not -- who knows how much they were breathing down his neck to include that character? At the same time it's been known -- hell, just by looking at the finished film -- that Burton was given almost unheard of creative freedom on the project.
I don't know where the absolute truth lies so far as much of any of it. Other than Burton's own words which are at best ambivalent about the character and otherwise are usually outright dismissive in his disdain for the thought of ever using him. |
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That stuff about it being mean was such a weak argument on my part that I'm surprised you even acknowledged it. I apologize for it. I don't know what I was thinking about at the time... Hollywood... mean... DUH!
Dude, you can steal the Tumbler. I'm taking a bat-suit.
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #71 on: Nov 2nd, 2005, 05:05am » |
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on Nov 2nd, 2005, 04:53am, midLfinger wrote:| [glow=red,2,300]That stuff about it being mean was such a weak argument on my part that I'm surprised you even acknowledged it. I apologize for it. I don't know what I was thinking about at the time... Hollywood... mean... DUH! |
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Does that make both of us douchebags?
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #72 on: Nov 4th, 2005, 04:23am » |
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BTW, here's the Robin material from Waters' script:
EXT. OUTSIDE THE GARAGE%2D%2DNIGHT
Bathed in Gotham flames, The Kid wrangles upon a bike,
punching in coordinate numbers into the black, pinwheel
object.
THE KID
I'll never steal anything again.
I'll never steal anything...
especially descramblers.
He attaches the pinwheel object to his belt and presses
a button in its middle. The pinwheel starts to spin.
EXT. GOTHAM STREET LEADING TO PLAZA%2D%2DNIGHT
THE REGIMENT OF PENGUINS. The headgear ensconced upon
the penguins begin to whine and rattle like changing
Airport terminal boards. The penguins simultaneously
turn and trot away from the Plaza.
INT. THE LAIR%2D%2DNIGHT
Penguin belches out fraternity%2Dsize squawks taking in the
smoke, fury, and wails of the Gotham City carnage on the
screen. The Mayor glowers at Max Shreck, who shrugs his
shoulder.
PENGUIN
Oh Max, it don't get much better
than this...
Penguin convulses into laughter so fierce that he rolls
to the ground. He looks up to Max through the bars of
the cage. He stops laughing as the music from his
birth in the opening wrestles control of the soundtrack.
The sight of a horrified Max in an undershirt through the
bars recalls the one of the horrified, undershirted
Angelic Child looking to his caged mutant brother.
PENGUIN
(poignantly)
"Honey, don't stare at your
brother."
(unconvincing
laugh%2Dit%2Doff)
Geez, Max, for a second there, I
thought...
MAX
I am. Your brother, that is.
EXT. GOTHAM STREET%2D%2DNIGHT
The pinwheel spinning on his belt, the Kid pumps his bike
down a city street. Suddenly the two giant divisions of
penguins magnificently converge out of two side streets
and march together behind the increasingly weirded%2Dout
Kid.
THE KID
Oh man...Batman.
(nervous snort of
laughter)
I hate him.
[...]
EXT. THE OLD ZOO GROUNDS%2D%2DNIGHT
Penguin snarls out a hairpin turn. Batman slams through
a strange piece of decrepit zoo architecture and does a
dangerous snow churning spin into the railing of an
ominous animal pit, almost flying into the abyss.
Penguin makes another turn, caterwauling back to Batman
with a victorious laugh. Turning around, his monocle
drops. Standing at overpowering attention, in front of
Penguin, is THE KID AND THE STERN FACE LEGION OF PENGUIN
COMMANDOS.
PENGUIN
My babies...
Batman and his Ski%2Dboat sallies forth behind Penguin and
then stops to witness the confrontation with a half%2Dsmile.
The Kid turns off the pinwheel object. Suddenly, back
on schedule, the penguins launch out the rest of their
payload.
What is left of rundown cages and the decayed Expo%2D
tecture is mightily laid to glorious waste in a symphony
of fireballs. The Ratty Poodle transforms into a smoking
crater.
Bombs bursting holes of black in the snow beside him,
Penguin wildly retreats. Batman vrooms after him.
Penguin's cart charges back upon the track of the
smoking, but intact rollercoaster. It rumbles upward.
Batman squeals his Ski%2Dboat to a stop and vaults off it.
The Kid rushes up and flips him the pinwheel object.
THE KID
Guess I won't be needing to borrow
the descrambler anymore. At least
not for a while...We save the city
or what?
BATMAN
Getting there. I owe you two.
Got a name?
THE KID
Yeah.....but I like to be
called...Robin...
BATMAN
Nice name...Oh Robin...
When Batman turns back around, the Kid, ROBIN, is gone.
Batman smiles at the utilization of one of his own traits.
Losing the smile, Batman fires up a grapple to a high
echelon of rollercoaster track. He swooshes upward.
I skimmed and snipped that a bit randomly.
There's more here: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Batman%2DReturns.html
What has always interested me more about that version of the script is how Burton took the characterization and overall thematics originally expressed through dialogue and made so much of it into visual statement instead. It's a stunning comparison, and shows how Burton was obsessed with keeping many ideas present yet internalized (so far as the characters, especially Batman), making this work through Expressionism.
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #73 on: Nov 4th, 2005, 04:43am » |
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*IN RELEATION TO THE LACK OF COMMENTARY ON THE R2 DISK MENTIONED LAST WEEK*
I emailed WB Customer Services via a link I found hidden away on their site, surprisingly they emailed me back the very next day! In this email they basically told me that my problem was important to them and to email another address because they are more qualified to deal with the issue. Well that must have been about a week ago now and as of yet I've heard nothing. Typical.
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Re: SE DVDs
« Reply #74 on: Nov 4th, 2005, 04:45am » |
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Did you listen to Burton's commentary on B89?
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