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« Reply #120 on: May 8th, 2014, 09:14am »

on Jan 22nd, 2014, 03:52am, dudelovebaby wrote:
I really don't like the anime style they're doing these days, I preferred the more classical animation of the previous ones. Glad to see they're finally breaking their streak of Geoff Johns adaptations, because lets face it; he sucks.


I've just finished Son Of Batman, I really hated the art style they chose for this film.

I have very little positive to say about any aspects of the adaptation, I really did not like it at all. I'm far too tired to be negative so I will let this review do it for me:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Son-of-Batman-Blu-ray/94966/#Review
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« Reply #121 on: Jun 17th, 2014, 12:41am »

Disgraceful;



sad

Jesus, when you get me longing for stories like Identity Crisis, you know you're killing your best characters.
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« Reply #122 on: Jun 17th, 2014, 05:22am »

Was that headlight vision coming out of the smoke bomb?
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« Reply #123 on: Jun 18th, 2014, 12:45am »

He was actively trying to kill them. While taunting them. That was Darkseid, not Superman!

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« Reply #124 on: Jun 18th, 2014, 04:11am »

on Jun 18th, 2014, 12:45am, dudelovebaby wrote:
He was actively trying to kill them. While taunting them. That was Darkseid, not Superman!



And there I was thinking "Disgraceful" referred to Superman's collar. wink

Clearly I'm officially old and complain about how much better things were in my day, but I personally favour John Byrne's version of Batman/Superman first meeting from early Post-Crisis. Don't like this. Don't like it at all.

Whether this next one is supposed to represent their first meeting (I think it is), but I quite like how Brian Azzarello did it in Lex Luthor: Man Of Steel. Either way, in both Byrne's or Azzarello's Batman is far more awesome than the lacklustre Geoff Johns misinterpretation.
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« Reply #125 on: Jun 18th, 2014, 07:13am »

Byrne's is amazing. Batman would completely see the good in Clark, and be willing to risk blowing off his own head in order to get his help in saving the day.

That... embarrassment... that is not the characters I grew up with.
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« Reply #126 on: Jun 18th, 2014, 6:19pm »

So is this nubu52 continuity? Is it based on something from it?
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« Reply #127 on: Jun 19th, 2014, 02:07am »

Yes, it's based of the first meeting those characters have in the Boo 52 comic.
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« Reply #128 on: Jun 23rd, 2014, 1:46pm »

OMG, it looks amazing! #inlove



Yeah, it sucks. Superheroes fighting each other because of misunderstandings that could have been cleared away if they had started talking. In a sense, there's nothing new about this continuity at all.

And leave out the "in a sense".
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« Reply #129 on: Jun 23rd, 2014, 5:38pm »

on Jun 23rd, 2014, 1:46pm, TheMidnighter wrote:
And leave out the "in a sense".


DC left sense out of the Reboot.
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« Reply #130 on: Jun 24th, 2014, 02:36am »

Heroes fighting because of a misunderstanding before they realise each guy is good is an age old trope. But I don't recall them trying to straight up murder each other.

I really hope that "Band aid" comes to fruition.
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« Reply #131 on: Feb 3rd, 2015, 08:39am »

Batman: Assault On Arkham

I was expecting a hot mess of travesty like Batman And Son turned out to be. Honestly it was a huge surprise, it didn't seem too bad at all.

But then I must state, I had so little hope for it I only had it on in the background and was only paying it passing attention, so I can't really give it a definitive opinion.

But going in with tempered expectations (ie - expect the usual modernised hollow shells of the characters that we have come to expect rather than any personality or depth), and as a mindless action film it has moments of fun.

In short, I've seen a lot worse, which when compared to what we've seen recently is a positively glowing review.
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« Reply #132 on: Feb 11th, 2015, 06:01am »

So here I was thinking it couldn't get any worse than this:



Then it got worse:



I truly despair.
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« Reply #133 on: Mar 21st, 2015, 9:21pm »

Netflix needs to start showing some of these. Feels like they didnt add any once Dark Knight Returns came out.
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« Reply #134 on: Apr 27th, 2015, 09:11am »

Batman Vs Robin

A review in two parts, before watching, and a live review as I watch…

The background (or summarising what we all know):

Batman RIP (2008) – Thomas Wayne, cursed ancestor of Bruce Wayne becomes immortal, a hundred or two years later is admitted to Willowood Asylum by Thomas Wayne who pretended cursed Wayne was his son to prevent him causing trouble. Cursed Thomas Wayne hired Joe Chill to assassinate Thomas, Martha, Bruce, planning to take Thomas Wayne’s place and fortune. Chill fails to kill Bruce, cursed Thomas Wayne takes alias Dr Simon Hurt, plots revenge with secret society. Spends years in the background putting his ultimate plan into motion.

The Court Of Owls (2011 REBOOT) – Secret society spends years in the background putting plans into motion (and may have ordered murder of Wayne family). Lincoln March (a probable alias) claims to be Thomas Wayne Jr, who was committed to Willowood Asylum by Thomas Wayne. Plots destruction of Bruce Wayne via elaborate plan. Sound familiar?

Morrison was paying homage to many Pre-Crisis works, including those of Batman Co-Creator Bill Finger. Was Snyder paying homage to Morrison just three years later by telling a simpler version of pretty much the same basic premise? Or was it just an easy way to make an unpopular (but amazing) story appreciated by those who didn’t understand it the first time and take the credit? Personally I don’t think he meant anything malicious at all, but I can’t help but be frustrated on the heaps of praise he gets for regurgitating a superior work.


The film:

DC seems to be marketing it on confusion of both Snyder and Morrison work. First we had the contemptible Son Of Batman film, largely based on Morrison’s Batman & Son book with some utterly bizarre changes. Now we have a direct sequel, taking a title from a Morrison chapter, but basing it largely on Snyder’s first Reboot story which in turn is a retelling of another of Morrison’s own chapters.

Confused yet?

Although I wouldn’t be surprised if the title choice is more down to the fact that having that other Snyder's film in the horizon, another Batman Vs title showing up in search engines might sell a few extra copies.

The film takes the idea of Bruce Vs Damian, something utterly done to death in comics. But I guess it hasn’t been done on screen so it might be new to those who only watch the films, so I can’t really criticise that, I guess.

Now I'll actually watch the film…


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So I will type this as I watch it. Nick watches the film, so you don’t have to:


  • Opening seems decent enough.
  • Dollmaker (a Reboot character by Tony Daniel), here very clearly Professor Pyg instead, complete with Dollotrons!
  • A Talon kills Dollmaker, Batman thinks Damian did it, now they’re arguing. *Sigh*
  • Credits, well I managed to mostly enjoy five minutes at least!
  • Bruce having dinner with Samantha Vanaver(?) Never heard of her, Reboot love interest? They have what feels like a Vicki Vale ’89 crossed with Batman Begins moment. Less artistic than ‘89, but surprisingly less pretentious and overwritten than Begins.
  • Damian introduced as Bruce Wayne’s “ward”. A funny reference. But shows Damian is not publically known as Bruce’s son like he was in Morrison’s work.
  • Stuff happens.
  • Flashback, Wayne murder, Bruce kneels at their bodies, looks up and sees an owl flying overhead carrying a dead bat. Oh fuck right off. We flash back to present through the eye of a stuffed owl. Batman is in museum surrounded by cases of stuffed owls. Half expecting someone to say “The owls are not what they seem.” But based on what I just saw, that would be way above the expected intellect of the target audience for this film.
  • More flashbacks. Talons attack in present. Batman discovers quickly they are zombies, starts murdering them.
  • Dick is dating Kory in this? Fail. I was never a fan of the Dick/Kory pairing. I prefer him with humans, particularly redheaded humans, preferably called Barbara.
  • Damian with a balisong, a deliberate reference to the fact Mark Miller’s Hit-Girl was a female version of Damian Wayne?
  • Main Talon talks to Damian about killing, about the fifth or sixth discussion about to kill or not to kill in the film so far. Half hour in.
  • Dick is sewing up Bruce’s shoulder. Heh, I like this.
  • Bruce’s safe combination is 1939. cheesy
  • All this owl stuff is making me want coffee.
  • Bruce is kidnapped by Court Of Owls. Courtroom scene, kinda gives me a Snyder’s Black Mirror mixed with V For Vendetta feel.
  • Too many owls, pause for coffee.
  • Hipster pleasing steampunk base. Who cares, Nick has coffee. Halfway point.
  • Naked female body in preservation tube to become future talon. Nothing verbally stated, but visual composition suggests Martha Wayne, even if the hair is different to flashbacks. Nothing ever comes of this! The female they just put so much focus on is never seen again.
  • What came first, Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo’s Talon design, or Bethesda’s Dishonored?
  • Main Talon flashback, he is human. So many flashbacks.
  • Batman Vs Robin, literal fight.
  • Bruce’s girlfriend Samantha is naked in bed with unmasked main Talon, who has the same hair as Nightwing, she reveals she is behind the plot to kill Batman.
  • More stuff.
  • Bruce’s girlfriend Samantha learns Bruce is Batman. Really? She didn’t know?!
  • Main Talon kills Samantha. Puts Damian in one of the Talon tubes.
  • Zombie Talons wake up out of tubes.
  • Talons attack Wayne Manor. No way in hell would Bruce have ever had time to read all those books!
  • How convenient that in all the time since we last saw Damian that the fluid was decent enough to stop filling up the tube. It’s going very fast now! Oh well, he has escaped.
  • Batman gets in his ED-209 Capullo mech-suit, Alfred shoots Talons with a shotgun.
  • Damian defeats main human Talon. Talon stabs himself in the throat like a kind of harikiri.
  • Damian hugs Bruce, expected making up.
  • Bruce and Dick tidy up the Manor. Damian goes off to the mountains on a voyage of self discovery, visually looks and music sounds like the beginning of Batman Begins.
  • End.
  • Not once was there any reference or allusion to Thomas Wayne Jr. So this simplified Snyder’s simplification by not even attempting that plot point. Call that a plus point to be honest.


So…

Despite all the negativity I genuinely didn’t hate this. Bad acting and horrible art style aside, I mostly enjoyed the first half well enough, although the second half dragged and the increased action was tiresome. Maybe it helped that it was written by J.M DeMatteis, writer of the excellent Going Sane, and another LotDK story Grimm which I coincidentally read last week. Before I even got to the end credits and discovered who wrote it, it was clear that the writing was vastly superior to some of these DC Animated films, much less of the stilted exposition and cringe worthy dialogue that plagues many of these. It was significantly better than the predecessor Son Of Batman. I wouldn’t recommend the film; it falls firmly in the ‘Okay’ category. Not especially good, but not bad enough to cause much annoyance. I went in the lowest expectations, and was pleasantly surprised in that regard.


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