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« Reply #135 on: May 25th, 2015, 09:41am »

I thought Batman vs. Robin was among the worst of these. Nothing I could put my finger on...just the feel maybe?
I thought Animal Instincts was much better, though the relationship with Nightwing and Flash was odd.
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« Reply #136 on: Oct 15th, 2015, 05:04am »

What the fuck is this? Take random bits of Grant Morrison together and throw them in a blender and hope to retain any of the quality?

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« Reply #137 on: Oct 15th, 2015, 5:33pm »

Pick and choose continuity is the thing now.
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« Reply #138 on: Feb 1st, 2016, 09:26am »

As I quite enjoyed doing my live review of Batman (You know what I actually have to look back at the previous page because I can't even remember what it's called) Vs Robin, I thought I'd do it again for Bad Blood.

We know the trailer was horrible. All the trailers for these films are horrible. These films usually are horrible. But my mind is open to the possibility of enjoying it, as always.

Before we start, I am aware that in my last review I thought Dollmaker was a creation of Terrible Tony Daniel in the Reboot. I have since read he was a Post-Crisis Superman villain, just thought I'd straighten that up.

Anyway... PLAY!


  • This is third in current series of Son Of Batman - Batman VS Robin - Bad Blood. I'm sure there will be continuity errors, but I probably won't pick them up. I will likely take issue to glaring misunderstandings of the characters that inevitably happen in translation from comic to animation and the crappy simplifications of better plots.
  • Batwoman uses a gun. Batman says she shouldn't.
  • Big Naughty Batman shows up, probably Grant Morrison's The Heretic from Batman Inc.
  • Big Naughty Batman 'kills' Batman by blowing him up.
  • Title Card.
  • Damian is still in Batman Begins.
  • Nightwing and Blockbuster (who looks nothing like Blockbuster) are fighting, acts like Mark Desmond, not Roland. Starfire flirts over headset.
  • Bruce Wayne Hologram played by Alfred tells his boardroom he is in the rainforest.
  • Katy Kane's hair is choppier than in the comics, much less sophisticated.
  • Dick Batman in No Man's Land era Batman Costume design (in navy rather than black) busts Black Mask. Damian Robin blows up Black Mask's gun causing his mask to burn onto his face.
  • CG animation is beyond horrible, Batwoman chasing Batmobile looks like it was made on Windows 95.
  • Big Naughty Batman confirmed as The Heretic. The film is a piecemeal inspiration of Grant Morrison, without the poetry and depth, and Greg Rucka’s Katy Kane origins. I should be thankful there is no Cassandra Cain at least.
  • Why is every Batmobile scene in Windows 95 Vision?!
  • Big Naughty Heretic attacks Lucius Fox and son. Lucius is stabbed. Windows 95 Batmobile to the recsue!
  • Anime Bruce is having a fantasy orgy, then his parents are murdered again, then become zombies, Bats attack him, Dick & Damian attack him, stupid stuff happens.
  • In real world Anime Bruce is having his mind explored by Mad Hatter under Big Naughty Heretic’s command. Talia shows up. Did she ‘die’ in the first film? I can’t remember, who cares. She makes reference to dying, probably did. Talia has her breast hanging out, maybe in case Big Naughty Heretic gets hungry.
  • Dick vists Lucius and Mini Fox in hospital. Mini Fox decides to become Batwing. I knew Mini Fox became Batwing in Reboot, no idea what happened to David Zavimbe, he doesn’t exist here anyway.
  • Katy is chatting up Renee Montoya in a bar, is turned on by her being Police. Kate is actually one of the most likable characters in this trilogy. Dick summons her for a talk. Dick unmasks on the rooftop where anyone looking out of their window would see. Tells Katy he had a crush on her when they were children. Makes sense, he probably would have if they’d met.
  • Big Naughty Heretic attacks Damian in the cave.
  • Big Naughty Heretic unmasks to Damian in his lair. Talia comes in with breasts still hanging out, must be dinner time, shoots Big Naughty Heretic, more milk for Damian.
  • Fake Batwing is an unlikable, arrogant prick,
  • Damian rescues Anime Bruce
  • Fake Batwing has an Anime suit with Anime weapons, he still sucks.
  • Fake Sucky Batwing saves Dick/Damian/Anime Bruce to try and prove he doesn’t suck. He still sucks. Anime Bruce ignores him. Good, he sucks.
  • Anime Bruce is super angry that Dick worked with Katy & Fake Sucky Batwing.
  • Photo in Katy’s penthouse showing her as a child with her family, judging by her size she is probably about eight years old, she has breasts and the same hairstyle she has now. Her father tries to kill her, no explanation why, I’m sure we’ll find out soon. Katy wears nice underwear.
  • Anime Bruce unveils his greatest invention – Cloud City, implying Lucius will be Lando Calrissian when he gets out of hospital.
  • Katy tells Dick & Damian her father was ‘programmed’ to attack her, says Anime Bruce is also brainwashed by Talia. Fake Sucky Batwing unfortunately shows up too. Lots of talk about ‘family’, nobody cares about Little Timmy Drake, he probably doesn’t exist either.
  • Everyone flies to cloud city in a Windows 95 Batwing, Fake Sucky Batwing flies next to it. Katy jokes about the name crossover.
  • Fake Sucky Batwing straight up murders Firefly.
  • Damian tries to save a villain called Tusk who is falling of a ledge into fans (yeah I don’t know who he is either), but someone cuts the rope and Tusk is believed dead.
  • Alfred accidentally kills Mad Hatter
  • Lots of painful dialogue between Dick/Damian and Talia’s breasts.
  • Talia’s breasts and Talia jump out of Cloud City and escape, she fights with Onyx (oh yeah, she’s in this too) and crashes her space ship and is obviously not dead.
  • Montoya comes to Kate’s penthouse for dinner.
  • Lucius wakes up to see Fake Sucky Batwing fly by his window.
  • Alfred and Dick watch over Bruce and Damian talking.
  • The signal. Katy and Dick ride through Windows 95 traffic, join the rest on GCPD. Penguin is causing chaos in Windows 95 traffic, they all go to stop him.
  • De-aged DiDio’d Barbara Gordon in her Hipster Batgirl costume runs up to the roof, looks on in awe.
  • Credits.
  • Black Mask was never mentioned again. Sequel?


So yeah, it was the usual soulless hashed together boring mess these things usually are. Hugely less offensive than the first in this trilogy. Batwoman could probably make a better animated film all to herself, Fake Sucky Batwing needs to fuck off and die. The continuity is ridiculous though, now we’re getting Barbara as Batgirl? No wonder Dick isn’t dating her as she is probably at least ten years younger than him here!

I have major issues with the current DiDio’d Barbara in the comics anyway. Her series is very popular, but it is a direct replacement for the superior Bryan Q Miller Steph series. It is aiming to be fun filled and accessible to the same demographic that book baited. So DiDio in his infinite wisdom and hatred of Steph boots her out of the starring roll and sacrifices the wonderful character of Oracle to give Barbara a personality transplant and de-age her into a redhaired Steph to have fun filled Steph adventures, with added Hipster shit of course because they are the current target audience for DC and Marvel these days. Rant over.

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Next is the JLA VS Teen Titans. Undecided whether I'll take the plunge on that... I probably will but we'll see. I'm on board for The Killing Joke, but I am very concerned that they said that it wasn't long enough to sustain an entire film to they have had to add material! Considering these films tend to disembowel and bastardise the source material by excising huge chunks, oversimplifying, and removing all depth, personally I think that book could quite easily have sustained a whole film without chopping bits out. I fear that much of the subtext will be removed and it will be dumbed down enough to reach the wider idiot market.
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« Reply #139 on: Feb 3rd, 2016, 8:03pm »

This one wasn't great. Didn't really get a chance to enjoy the Dick / Damian dynamic. Bruce was only gone for maybe a month, unlike over a year IIRC in the comics.
My wife was a bit bugged out by the "cartoon gayness." Not a homophobe by any means, just didn't care for it in animated form. Also, quite a bit of PG-13 language.
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« Reply #140 on: May 2nd, 2016, 12:06pm »

If anyone missed it:



At first I thought I had stumbled across a fan made flash trailer the animation was so bad. Oh my surprise that it's not...

I'm in the tiny minority who really doesn't love Mark Hamill's Joker. He was great in Arkham Knight (the singing was excellent), but overall it just doesn't quite work for me, and I really didn't feel it in this trailer.

Despite all that, I'm unusually excited about this one, and that rarely ends well.
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« Reply #141 on: Aug 17th, 2016, 7:05pm »

I'm not sure I have the words for the next one. I'm not sure there are words for it.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/17/batman-adam-west-burt-ward-julie-newmar-animated?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

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« Reply #142 on: Aug 19th, 2016, 5:00pm »

That trailer made me hungry. I'm going to have this:

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There's also one with Batgirl. Maybe Yvonne Craig will be in this movie too? Either way, I'm buying it.
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« Reply #143 on: Aug 19th, 2016, 9:30pm »

Maybe her likeness, but not her voice. She croaked out a year or two ago. cry
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« Reply #144 on: Aug 22nd, 2016, 1:50pm »

Interesting about an animated Batman '66 sequel. I'm slowly working my way through the Blu-Ray (of the series), and something about the voices seems 'off' in that trailer. I can't really place what the problem is. Burt Ward sounds a lot younger than I expected, maybe good voice work, maybe computer manipulation. They almost sounds like good impersonators of West and Ward rather than the real thing. Hey ho, no doubt I'll give it a shot. Could certainly be entertaining.

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So... The Killing Joke. I didn't do my usual live thoughts because we've all read the book.

I wasn't impressed. The Batgirl Prologue was tonally completely inconsistent with the source material and incredibly jarring. Despite the film being an adaptation (which usually have passing resemblance to the source material at best), it was clearly obvious it was the work of different writers and couldn't have felt less organic if it tried. If it was a Blu-Ray extra, a separate thing entirely, it would have been fine (aside from an inexcusable 'romance' subplot which if I cared more would have been offensive, and many have been truly offended by it and I fully understand their reasons).

I didn't like that it was heavily implied Joker raped Barbara. I know many have said the book implies it, but going back and reading it again, I personally don't see it at all. Even when looking for it, I believe the language of the book (particularly Bullock) point away from it. Even so, later writers have made it clear that in 1986-2011 Continuity there was no rape. The film was is an entity to itself not tying into any other animated Continuity, so whatever I guess.

Overall, little omissions and changes to Moore's words bugged me. I wanted to like it, but I didn't. Thinking about it now, I don't see how I couldn't have liked it and want to watch it again, but I'm sure if I did I would just remember why I didn't like it in the first place. It felt like they were making the effort, but it didn't quite pay off.

Strangely, out of everything, it was the tacked on Epilogue that I thought was a really nice touch that worked really well.
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« Reply #145 on: Aug 22nd, 2016, 4:49pm »

on Aug 22nd, 2016, 1:50pm, Nick wrote:
it would have been fine (aside from an inexcusable 'romance' subplot which if I cared more would have been offensive, and many have been truly offended by it and I fully understand their reasons).


The only thing I can come up with on this is that they tried to somewhat tie it in with TAS continuity. There were a few lines here and there that pointed to possible romance between Bruce and Barbara on it, causing the rift between Bruce and Dick.
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« Reply #146 on: Aug 24th, 2016, 11:27am »

I heard that was something Bruce Timm put into Batman Beyond, all signs point to him pushing it again here.

Between this and Arkham Knight pairing up Barbara and Tim embarassed (which didn't even make sense in that isolated Arkham Continuity considering Tim was gay in Arkham City!), what is it with all these different stories putting Barbara with everyone except Dick? At least Gail Simone got them married in that Convergence tie-in, finally doing what should have happened back in 2006 at One Year Later.
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« Reply #147 on: Aug 24th, 2016, 4:04pm »

on Aug 24th, 2016, 11:27am, Nick wrote:
which didn't even make sense in that isolated Arkham Continuity considering Tim was gay in Arkham City!


Lolwat. I'm still a couple behind - I'm about 40% done with Origin and haven't started City.

on Aug 24th, 2016, 11:27am, Nick wrote:
At least Gail Simone got them married in that Convergence tie-in, finally doing what should have happened back in 2006 at One Year Later.


Preach on, sir. cheesy
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« Reply #148 on: Aug 25th, 2016, 10:06am »

on Aug 24th, 2016, 4:04pm, snipe wrote:
Lolwat. I'm still a couple behind - I'm about 40% done with Origin and haven't started City.



Ah, sorry for the spoilers.

Yeah, I don't think they actually outright said it verbally. But they were obviously playing on the semi-popular fan theory that Tim Drake in the comics was going to come out as gay, and they went so over the top in making the portrayal as macho-gay as possible, I mean really really gay. They did a complete 180 on that portrayal in Knight removing most of the homosexual undertones and overtones and hooked him up with Barbara. embarassed
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« Reply #149 on: Aug 25th, 2016, 4:01pm »

on Aug 25th, 2016, 10:06am, Nick wrote:
Ah, sorry for the spoilers.


No worries, it's several years old, I've had plenty of time. And it's Knight that I've not played yet. I've played through Asylum and City. Started on Origins. I guess I didn't notice.
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