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Re: there's always worse
« Reply #30 on: Sep 25th, 2005, 12:39am » |
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on Sep 24th, 2005, 11:56am, snipe wrote:| I'm really starting to see where Miller's Grayson (I just didn't want to say "Miller's Dick") got screwed up for DK2. If ASB&RtBW is in the same continuity with that, it's going to continue to suck. |
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OMFG!!!! It's negativity! Hide the children and the "true" Bat-fans.
on Sep 24th, 2005, 3:57pm, TheMidnighter wrote:On the other hand we have Frank Miller, whom I think wants to make 'his' Batman the world's; he wants that his Batman is the right one and his Batman is how Batman is supposed to be.
Of course, every writer thinks his version of a character is the right one (otherwise they wouldn't writer a character in that fashion) but what I fear is that Miller will just try to write his Batman, therefore strapping this series to DKR and whatnot and, with the first writer, blow up the promise of a title that is free of continuity and that is just telling stories. |
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There's no question that Miller feels his Batman is the only meaningful or true vision of the character, but that subjective opinion has little sway in the scheme of things (yes, influential, but all encompassing? No). The duality and depth of DKR is nowhere in sight as far as either DK2 (which is understandable, so far as serialized placement...Wayne is dead, what is left?) or All-Star B&R, which begs the question of point. Especially since Miller is not all that good at superhero adventures (DK2DK2DK2) from the standpoint of golden or silver age ideal; he can't elevate the material on those levels the way Busiek or others can, maybe because he doesn't love that type of story.
I think Miller can present wonderful Batman stories, but the first issue did not impress me. I haven't read number 2 yet, but the idea of Dick being used by a sadistic nut in his obsessive and unwinnable war works fine for me, playing on ideas always present in this relationship but rarely if ever explored outwardly. If Miller does that I, unlike some, will be happy with his work -- unlike DKSA, let's see some exploration of the character's psyche again.
It'd be a shame if the main point of this book -- the partnership of Batman and Robin -- was done in a less flattering, insightful and interesting way than it was in DKR's text.
Issue one felt like a waste from the pointless reworking (as far as I can tell thus far) of the Graysons' deaths, to the inclusion of a "babe" (Miller does us no favors with multiple pages wasted on Vicki Vale's cartoon ass in place of characterization of any merit; but then, sex is about the only purpose he seems typically capable of finding for women within his male dominated books).
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #31 on: Oct 4th, 2005, 05:30am » |
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I'm currently reading the very first issues of Stormwatch. Stormwatch can be known to people mostly because it became very good when Warren Ellis got on board from issue #37, initiated a volume 2 after v1 #50 and, after colume2 had ended with #11, he launched The Authority from Stormwatch's ashes.
I'm reading it from #1 on because I want to know the entire history from Stormwatch. I was affraif that I wouldn't appreciate Ellis' work to its fullest if I did not read the beginning.
The beginning stories suck. Their crap. The storylines are supershallow and I'm glad I bought them supercheap. I've read the first 5 issues and already I'm thinking about not reading further and just skipping to issue #37.
But I will not. (1) I have the comics so I want to read them and (2) if they suck so badly, Ellis' usually superb stuff will be experienced even more positive than it already is!
Still, the first issues suck.
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #32 on: Oct 6th, 2005, 8:07pm » |
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In about 10%, I'll be reading Green Lantern/Superman - Ledgend of the Green Flame. I'll post my tohoughts when I've read it.
As far as All Star B&R goes, if it's in the same continuity as TDKR then why the hell is Jim Lee drawing? P.S. Are JFK or Nixon the president, in that series if it is in TDKR timeline?
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #33 on: Oct 8th, 2005, 02:59am » |
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Okey dokey. I've come across some booty. And by booty I mean comics. They took me ages to finish because tere was so many. I'm only going to be breif with each one.
Batman: Book Of The Dead.
It was Elseworlds, it was boring. Avoid.
Batman: Gotham By Gaslight.
Teh hotness. Really good mystery, albeit easy to guess who Jack The Ripper was. None the less I enjoyed this to a great degree. Read it.
Batman: In Darkest Knight.
Bad. It takes itself too seriously, especially when it comes to the Year One and Killing Joke parts. Avoid.
Batman & Spawn: Miller/McFarlane.
Decent, alot of people say it made Batman look like a bitch. Those people clearly did not see the last page. Which might I add was hilarious. A big improvement over the shit that was War Devil. Only read if you're a hardcore fan.
Batman & Spiderman II.
It was nice. Pretty fun read. Bats and Spidey have a real chemistry. For the hardcore fans.
Batman Vs. Hulk.
Nice little 70's cross over. Batman was written as a thinking detective similar to the way he was done in the O' Neil/Adams run of the 70's. Again if you're a hardcore fan read it.
Batman vs. Predator.
Suprisingly great. Think B89 with Predators in it, I was really shocked by how good this was. Awesome. Read it.
Batman vs. Punisher.
Not bad. Seeing Frank and Az-Bats in the same book called for heavy violence, but I was dissapointed in that area. Only if you're a hardcore fan you may want to read this.
Superman & Green Lantern - Ledgend of the Green Flame.
Excellent. Neil Gaiman is a godsend to comics. This was one of the best Superman stories ever. Possibly my favourite team up comic. Read it!
Punisher: A Man Named Frank.
Elseworlds comics pitting Frank as a cowboy. Had the potential but failed in the end. Avoid.
Sin City: Booze, Broads and Bullets.
I liked it. But compared to the other books came up pretty short. I'd say the worst of the Sin City trade's but still very good. Read it.
Sin City: Big Fat Kill.
I liked this too. But I wouldn't say it was better than Hard Goodbye, Dame and Yellow Bastard. Still a great read. Read it.
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #34 on: Oct 8th, 2005, 09:55am » |
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on Oct 6th, 2005, 8:07pm, dudelovebaby wrote:| As far as All Star B&R goes, if it's in the same continuity as TDKR then why the hell is Jim Lee drawing? P.S. Are JFK or Nixon the president, in that series if it is in TDKR timeline? |
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It's arguable that every Frank Miller Batman comic ever written fits into his own pocket universe. Yes, even Year One.
Of course they can double for regular continuity, but even as they fall in and out of that they remain in Miller's.
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #35 on: Oct 8th, 2005, 12:08pm » |
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^^ yes - Miller has stated all his Batman stories are in his own continuity. I guess that even goes for the Batman / Spawn team-up.
I just finished the OMAC Project (and Sacrifice tie-in), and The Return of Donna Troy. I'm now reading Day of Vengeance. Trying to get all these minis read before the next Crisis...
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a lot of ultimate marvel
« Reply #36 on: Oct 8th, 2005, 5:49pm » |
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Ultimate X-Men #61 & #62
8/10
Nice stuff. I like Vaughan's writing a lot. It's fresh, exciting, it's so exciting to me.
Ultimate X-Men Annual #1
8+/10
Good issue. Enough space to build a nice story on...
Ultimates 2 Annual #1
8/10
I love this issue. Millar has got a great thing going with the Ultimates 2 and Dillon's art is very nice as usual. I'm very curious to see who the traitor is and why Hank Pym knows. All signs point to Captain America, but I'm betting it's someone else like Tony Stark. I love the superhuman arms race -- it's like the cold war but then for the 21st century.
StormWatch #0-#18
7/10
As I've stated here, this is shaping up to be good. At least better than it was first.... Ugh.
Astro City: The Dark Age #3
7½/10
Kurt Busiek delivers. Always. I love this book. Astro City has been amazing and keeps on being so. The art is great (love the Blue Knight shot in #2) as well, although Anderson can get kind of sloppy (see the last 3 issues of Rising Stars for example). Still, this title is strong.
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« Reply #37 on: Oct 8th, 2005, 7:05pm » |
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Supreme Power #18
7/10
I love the art and I usually also love the writing, but this issue felt a bit empty to me. It was as if JMS could've done this in 16 pages, but they wanted to fill up 6 more pages so that the issue was full and they could start their 2 mini-series spinning out if this one.
What's the deal with that anyway? It's suppossed to be an ongoing serie, not splitting up into two mini's.
The Authority/Lobo: Springbreak Massacre!
0.0/10
Sucks. Big time. Hate the story, absolutely hate the art (Simon Bisley).
I'm too tired to continue reading...
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #38 on: Oct 8th, 2005, 7:10pm » |
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Thanks Will and Snipe.
Right now i'm reading Batman/Daredevil 2: Kings of New York. It's good, but needless to say I've gotten really sick of team up and vs comics. But whatever, I'll take what I can get.
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #39 on: Oct 12th, 2005, 4:10pm » |
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Hey guys, would anyone mind helping me out, with something. I'd like to go back to the comic book store. I havent been in decades. Are their any good storylines in the current bat continuity that are starting soon? Or am I gonna have to jump into the middle somewhere and hustle to find all the back issues?
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #40 on: Oct 12th, 2005, 10:24pm » |
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You can start with Batman right now. Detective is at the tail end of a long story. Looks like Robin will be rapping up a story line soon. I don't know about the other books.
Most of DC will be focused on the Infinite Crisis story arc, so you could consider this a good time to jump in or you might be intimidated. I'm sort of in between right now.
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #41 on: Oct 13th, 2005, 10:06am » |
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Check out the trades that are coming out from the mini's that led us into the Infinite Crisis.
Spoilers abound, probably (I have not read the articles):
Rann-Thanagar war
Return of Donna Troy
OMAC Project
Day of Vengeance
I do not know if I'm missnig something. Villains United was also one of the mini's but I cannot find an article about it.
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #43 on: Oct 14th, 2005, 07:46am » |
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Good call, datura . Sequart and The Continuity Pages as well are always great sources for information.
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Re: So... what are we currently reading?
« Reply #44 on: Oct 14th, 2005, 12:06pm » |
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on Oct 12th, 2005, 10:24pm, datura wrote:You can start with Batman right now. Detective is at the tail end of a long story. Looks like Robin will be rapping up a story line soon. I don't know about the other books.
Most of DC will be focused on the Infinite Crisis story arc, so you could consider this a good time to jump in or you might be intimidated. I'm sort of in between right now. |
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Thanks much kind sir!
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