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« Thread started on: Aug 10th, 2005, 10:01pm »

Title says it. Let's have some duscussion in here.
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 10th, 2005, 11:56pm »

I havent read very many but I'd have to say DKR since it's just wickedly written and just a great story.

Least Favorite has got to be DKSA. What a completely dysfunctional story that strays so far from a Batman story and just plain bad!
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 11th, 2005, 05:32am »

Gotham By Gaslight and Nevermore. While both critically lambasted, I enjoy seeing Batman in the Victorian era. Mostly because he's detective again and the art is usually superb. The 19th century architecture is gothic and fits Batman perfectly. I also like the absence of sidekicks in them. whenever I think of elseworlds I think of dark haunted gaslit streets.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 11th, 2005, 2:40pm »

Arkham Asylum (the writers even said it was Elseworlds and it can't fit in continuity for many reasons including Maxie Zeus and the look and death of Killer Croc). That is an amazing book and one of my all time favourites. Batman shoving the glass through his hand was brilliant, it depicted perfectly the torment and agony of the character and was done in such a cinematic way - although an Esleworlds book Arkham Asylum has the perfect Batman, in coninuity it's only matched by Night Cries and Tenses comes close. The whole story is extremely cinematic (but in a good way, not like the mainstream crap Hollywood produces today). You can just hear the torment in the voice of the Batman. Just beautiful...

I also rather love the Vampire Trilogy, I love them all so much.

Dark Joker the Wild is also pretty cool of you can get past the whole weird concept.

But I was really disappointed my Harvest Breed, it looked so good but turned out rather boring.

EDIT - Noticed a minor spoiler I ought to hide, sorry.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 13th, 2005, 4:38pm »

My favorite would have to be The League of batmen and Brotherhood of the bat. I've been a fan of son of the demon being in continuity, and in these books, it is.
I also love the dracula/batman books. Kelly Jones is perfect for that.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 1:14pm »

Gotham by Gaslight.

My first elseworlds ever!! The art is awesome (it could not be darker) and the Jack the Reaper tie-in is too good written to be believed cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 19th, 2005, 07:41am »

I'll go through my Elseworlds' when I get home, but I loved Superman: Red Son and JSA: The Liberty Files. Check them out.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 19th, 2005, 3:54pm »

The Harvey Dent as Batman Elseworlds annual from 94 deserves mention, at least as a curiosity. I don't remember being overwhelmed with its greatness, but it's a fun concept.

I can't really remember many other annuals from that year that were good or memorable reads/concepts, so it must have something going for it (hopefuly more than its conceit). Maybe I'll read it again.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 19th, 2005, 4:02pm »

on Aug 19th, 2005, 07:41am, TheMidnighter wrote:
I'll go through my Elseworlds' when I get home, but I loved Superman: Red Son and JSA: The Liberty Files. Check them out.


How about The Nail? I loved that.

For want of a nail a shoe was lost, for want of a shoe a horse was lost, for want of a horse a rider was lost, for want of a rider a army was lost, for want of an army a battle was lost, for want of a battle the war was lost, for want of the war the kingdom was lost, and all for the want of a little horseshoe nail.

It rather sums up any alternate universe idea and its base nature. So small a detail can cause so big a difference.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 20th, 2005, 06:54am »

I liked The Nail rather much. On the old boards I reviewed lots of Elseworld PF books, but they all got lost in the Big Flood. Maybe I'll restart that again.

JLA: Another Nail also exists, but I'm missing #1...
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 20th, 2005, 07:02am »

What's the opinion of In Darkest Knight? It sounds pretty good to me, but I really want to know what everyone else thinks.
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 20th, 2005, 07:25am »

Hehe, my first post on the original BatSquad was, if memory serves me, a review of In Darkest Knight where I gave the comic a 2 out of 10.
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 20th, 2005, 10:08am »

Is Darkest Knight the one where Bruce gets teh GL ring?
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 20th, 2005, 10:56am »

Yup.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 20th, 2005, 4:29pm »

on Aug 20th, 2005, 06:54am, TheMidnighter wrote:
I liked The Nail rather much. On the old boards I reviewed lots of Elseworld PF books, but they all got lost in the Big Flood. Maybe I'll restart that again.

JLA: Another Nail also exists, but I'm missing #1...


The Nail and Red Son (which I unfortunately STILL have not read the last part of) are both fun reads, and examine Superman as an icon disconnected from the all-American proportion of that imagery. Superman has almost from the beginning -- maybe from the very beginning, considering the times and Siegel and Shuster's backgrounds as Jews during Hitler's rise, as well as being immigrants that found success through American capitilasm as embodied through their superheroic character (the fact that they were financially destroyed under this same system cannot be forgotten, however) -- been of the American ideal, right down to his position as its greatest member emigrating from foreign soil and achieving more than he could have in his original habitat.

The Nail gives us a world in chaos without Superman due to, as we learn, his ship landing amongst the insulated and pacifist Amish of America (part of the country's diversity, but not any type of melting pot theology, which means Superman is never Superman to that point); while in Red Son his ship ends up amongst Soviets, creating a dictatorial character that has good intentions forced upon the populace through an-all controlling ideology (something Superman is always in danger of slipping into as far as motivation and action, which allegorically could be read as an examination of America herself).

I think the Superman we've tended to always know -- that of the aforemntioned American ideal -- exists somewhere between the two alternate paths mentioned above, driven to be more assertive than the Amish would ever allow, pushing away pacifism for what is deemed right and thus using his great power for ostensible good, while rejecting the freedom-stealing authority that we see imbued within him in Red Son that is a representation made manifest of him going too far in that ideal and therein perverting it and himself.

One thing that makes Red Son very interesting is that it's at its foundation about the very anxieties under which Superman become an icon -- the cold war of the US against the Soviets -- transposing the uber-patriotism that he has represented as a propaganda tool that, along with many other corporate/media-driven sources, was meant to alleviate America's greatest fear of that period, instead providing us with the unwanted thought through his image of the Soviets having the upperhand over the United States within the overall conflict. It also suggests that the US's image is what drives its actions, as without the image there is no substance (Superman fully represents this as causative presence both psychologically and assertively, suggesting that the image creates the actions or at least makes for the interpretation of those actions as a positive).

Superman's meaning as an image of America makes him contextually interesting as something bigger in regards to ideals and issues within these stories in a myriad of ways.
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