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xx Best Batman books that are NON-canon (Elseworlds)
« Thread started on: Oct 25th, 2012, 9:42pm »

I've been thinking about adding a section to my website with some good Batman books that are not on the timeline (non-canon, Elseworlds).

Thus far, I have the following list:

- The Dark Knight Returns
- The Dark Knight Strikes Again
- All-Star Batman and Robin (yeah, I know, but I don't hate it that much, even like it in some way - Please, don't hit me!)
- Arkham Asylum
- Red Rain
- The Joker (by Azzarello)
- Nine Lives
- Thrillkiller
- Tenses
- Gotham By Gaslight
- Batman: Black & White
- Ego (Still have to remove it from the timeline)
- Haunted Knight? (Still have to remove it from the timeline, but is it that good? It's been a while...)

Don't really know if these are canon or not, and where they should fit if they are?):

- JLA: Tower Of Babel
- Joker's Last Laugh

Any suggestions, opinions?

Thanks!

EDIT: Whoops, should have started this thread under 'Pre-Crisis And Elseworlds'.
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xx Re: Best Batman books that are NOT in continuity
« Reply #1 on: Oct 26th, 2012, 09:42am »

I'm sure Snipe can move this for you.

Joker's Last Laugh is in Post Crisis Continuity despite not being any good, on my shelf I have it sitting before Selina's Big Score.
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There are so many excellent books that are either Elseworlds, or simply set in the general Batman mythos without fitting into Post Crisis Continuity.

A small list of my favourites include:

Arkham Asylum
Red Rain/Bloodstorm/Crimson Mist
Other Realms (amazing book that isn't necessarily out of Continuity)
Castle Of The Bat
Batman & Demon: A Tragedy
Batman: Realworlds
Lex Luthor: Man Of Steel (Ok Batman only has a brief appearance but this book is too good not to mention!)

These books are just from my shelves, I'll have to look through my boxes to look at things that weren't collected or prestige.

And my hard sell:
Harvest Breed - The artwork is absolutely beautiful and the last few pages are perfection, it's just a shame that I hated the story building up to the last few pages. I must give it another go one of these days, maybe I'll get more enjoyment out of it.

I've also heard nothing but universal praise for The Doom That Came To Gotham. Universal praise is usually meaningless, but I've had it on my shelf for an age so I must get round to reading it one of these days to see what all the fuss is about!

EDIT - Damn well but TENSES back in your timeline! I know Snipe hates it, but some of us love that book wink I have it very early on between Venom and Prey on my shelf.

Oh, and I love All Star B&R too, it's comedy gold! cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 26th, 2012, 3:08pm »

I'm going to throw in Kingdom Come. Though not a bat-book per se, he steals the show, especially in the epilogue of the tpb.
I'd second Ego as well.
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 16th, 2012, 6:06pm »

Geez, I completely forgot about Kingdom Come, nice one cheesy

And, recently, I bought Tenses, though I still have to read it. Thanks!

Now I need some spare time to set up the section on my website... embarassed
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 7th, 2013, 5:28pm »

For some reason, I have always been into the 'main' Batman books; those that are (for the most part) in continuity. But, for the sake of enjoying a good story as it is, with no worries for something being canon/in continuity etc. I have been buying a bunch of books that are (mostly) non-canon (a lot of Elseworlds, but also some others). I thoroughly read the Favourite/Worst Elseworlds threads and made a selection of books I wanted to give a try.

So as of now, I have the following stories that are NOT in continuity, although I'm not sure whether some books could be:

- Man-Bat (Delano/Bolton, 3 issues, 1995)
- Book Of The Dead
- Gordon Of Gotham
- Batman/The Spirit (2007)
- Batman vs. Aliens
- Book Of Shadows
- Tangent Comics/ The Batman (1998)
- Year 100
- Gotham By Gaslight
- Master Of The Future (Sequel to Gotham By Gaslight)
- Gotham Noir
- Red Rain / Bloodstorm / Crimson Mist
- Dark Joker The Wild
- League Of Batmen
- Castle Of The Bat
- Brotherhood Of The Bat
- Nevermore
- Holy Terror
- Thrillkiller
- Kingdom Come
- Nine Lives
- Planetary Batman: Night On Earth
- Batman/Demon (Grant/Roach)
- Batman/Demon: A Tragedy
- Scar Of The Bat
- Batman: The Abduction
- Batman/Grendel (1996, I only have Book 1; Devil's Dance, still have to find Book 2; Devil's Bones)
- Batman/Grendel: Devil's Riddle (1993, I only have Book 1; Devil's Riddle, have to find Book 2; Devil's Masque)
- Batman/Houdini: The Devil's Workshop
- Batman: Detective #27 (Uslan/Snejbjerg)
- Batman: Two-Face (Crime & Punishment, 1995)
- Superman: Red Son
- Batman (and Superman): Earth One

And, of course, I have The Dark Knight Returns & Strikes Again and All-Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder (Miller) and Arkham Asylum (Morrison), but although these are not in the main continuity, I'd like to consider them 'something else' than Elseworlds, although technically they are (sort of?). Same with Batman: Black & White (Vol. 1-3), by the way.

Well, I feel like this should be my share of Elseworlds, or are there any titles that are worth reading? The only recommended title I found on the boards is JLA: The Nail, although I see mixed opinions about that one, probably going to try to find it...

Oh, and should I read The Kingdom (Sequel to Kingdom Come)?

EDIT: Also looking out for:
- Batman: Realworlds
- Lex Luthor: Man Of Steel
- Harvest Breed (opinions vary)
- The Doom That Came To Gotham
- The Batman Of Arkham

And now, back to everything from Year One to Flaspoint, where things are 'normal'!
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 7th, 2013, 8:15pm »

You don't HAVE to read The Kingdom. Honestly, it's not that great. Kind of disjointed cash-in on the Kingdom Come thing.

Batman/The Spirit (2007)
Dick as Robin era. I don't recall a reason why it couldn't be in continuity other than it's an inter-company crossover (now that DC no longer holds the rights to publish Spirit).

Year 100
Haven't read it yet, but I've never heard anyone say anything bad about it.

Gotham By Gaslight
Bats on the Jack the Ripper case. Good stuff.

Red Rain / Bloodstorm / Crimson Mist
Kelley Jones doing what Kelley Jones does best: shitting on paper and calling it art.

League Of Batmen
Fun "possible future" elseworlds.

Holy Terror
IIRC, this was the first book to carry the "elseworlds" logo.

Thrillkiller
Awesome art. Fun book.

Kingdom Come
Mark Waid's answer to the 90s "anti-hero" superheroes. Perfect in every way.

Batman/Demon (Grant/Roach)
Batman/Demon: A Tragedy

...I don't know that I knew there were two. One (or both) may not be elseworlds.

Batman: Detective #27 (Uslan/Snejbjerg)
If this is what I remember, it's pretty cool. Think "detective 27" = James Bond 007. With Dick as 27.

Batman: Two-Face (Crime & Punishment, 1995)
I don't think this is necessarily out of continuity. One story told in two time periods (one with Dick as Robin, the other with Tim).

Superman: Red Son
One of the best elseworlds around.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 7th, 2013, 10:48pm »

Not sure why I haven't thought of this earlier, but New Frontier. Not necessarily a Batman book, but it's great. Beautifully written and illustrated. It's the dawn of the Silver Age more or less.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 8th, 2013, 5:33pm »

I know you don't like Kelley Jones, and I can appreciate why he isn't to everyone's tastes. But personally I think Red Rain is his masterpiece, I think that book is beautiful in its own gothic way. Certain images such as Batman standing silhouetted against the red sky among the trees in the graveyard is an iconic image of the character to me. And I loved the softcover edition cover of Batman clawing out of his grave so much it was my icon on this forum many many years ago. It's true the art gets progressively worse with each book, but in a way they syle of which the art degrades, or to use a more flattering term, 'loosens up', represents well the increasing ferocity of The Batman.

But damn did I love that man's covers in the 90s. Am I the only one who likes Kelley Jones?
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 25th, 2013, 1:31pm »

Just bought New Frontier Vol. 2. Now I have to hunt down Vol. 1. Can't wait to read it!
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