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« Thread started on: Mar 23rd, 2014, 6:07pm »

Anyone heard about the Gotham show on Fox? It's supposed to track Gordon's younger years as a cop while he interacts with the rogues gallery pre-Batman.

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If they treat it like GCPD, I think it might work. Detective Gordon trying to solve murders is a cool concept, but Im guessing they'll make it Smallville: Batman. I hope the show has Gordon having to earn the mustache in the final season.
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 23rd, 2014, 9:37pm »

I'm not sure I get it. I understand the concept, but I don't understand the execution:

scenarios:
1. Gordon arriving in GC, presumably his first case is the Wayne murder. It goes unsolved. He's a failure.
2. Gordon arriving in GC, presumably as the Waynes are killed. During the investigation, which is not his, he uncovers corruption in the GCPD. He fights the corruption.
3. Gordon arriving in GC after the Waynes are killed. He uncovers corruption, fights it. Several "batman" villains are introduced, he stops them, rendering Batman unneeded.
4. Gordon arriving in GC .... does a horrible job, creating the need for Batman.

I don't see any of these which create both (1) Gordon as a hero and (2) Batman being necessary. Gordon and Batman should arrive at about the same time. That's the only way it works.

Or they could come up with something fresh and new while also grim and gritty rolleyes
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 28th, 2014, 05:52am »

Is that Catwoman...or a young Lily Tomlin?
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 15th, 2014, 10:07pm »

Anyone actually watching this? Im holding off until its eventual appearance on Netflix.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 15th, 2014, 10:16pm »

I got about 20 minutes into the first episode. Selina witnessed the Wayne murders. It's Batman without Batman. I don't like all the villains showing up before Bruce is in the suit.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 15th, 2014, 10:24pm »

As an Elseworlds thing, I like the idea of Gordon solving crimes by having to interrogate younger villains and mafia members like Falcone.

But Catwoman witnessing Bruce's death? Reminds me of the Star Wars prequels, where everyone knew everyone.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 16th, 2014, 1:39pm »

on Nov 15th, 2014, 10:24pm, Clerk wrote:
But Catwoman witnessing Bruce's death? Reminds me of the Star Wars prequels, where everyone knew everyone.


Bingo. And if Gordon and the GCPD can handle it all, what use is Batman?
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 16th, 2014, 2:56pm »

I was wondering why no one had been talking about this on here. I didn't realize a thread had already been created for it. Anyway, I have to say I'm not really enjoying it, unfortunately. I'll keep watching just because it's Batman-related and my fiancée likes it, but I much prefer the Arrow/Flash version of the DC Universe on the CW network.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 11th, 2014, 08:18am »

I tried. Well, others were watching and I didn't run out of the room screaming. So yeah. I tried to watch it. It feels out of date in a very identifiable way. It feels inescapably like network television. It's stilted, sanitized and not very well framed.

Warners is in a second rate position with their IP. Marvel can turn a no-name Star Wars rip off into a blockbuster, while DC can't even sell Superman in theaters. So now they're filling the moribund networks with stuff like The Flash.

It's true to say that the series looks at least fifteen years out of date. But network television felt as painful then and -- if only as a slight contradiction -- it's in truth even worse now; anything that is judged as decent or personal gets passed to cable (99 times out of 100 it was probably passed through a shredder pre-Sopranos, but at least there were, maybe, a couple exceptions in a given decade). It's an argument of choice, but in what sense? Television has become respectable in a way it never was before. Gotham's another Smallville in a world that now has The Knick; it's a comparison, but what's the choice? If stuff like the Leftovers didn't exist, the choice would be not to watch at all.

It used to be that a film was a film and, so, 24 episodes a year with bad lighting, so-so acting and deplorable cinematography (misnomer?) was both de rigueur and acceptable. After all, it was tv. Gotham is a metatextual prequel, then. The point would make for a dissertation if the networks themselves weren't crammed with this tripe. The Goldbergs probably makes the point more directly: a mixture of nostalgia and formaldehyde.

Perhaps more striking is the contrast between the biggest series on television and the biggest films; now JJ Abrams and Whedon get to flaunt their middlebrow talents in the biggest films, while television is the space to explore darker, more complex subjects. Maybe Lucas and Spielberg did destroy cinema.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 22nd, 2015, 11:02pm »

Im honestly just waiting for it to hit Netflix, where I'll just binge it over a weekend.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 27th, 2016, 1:38pm »

Season 1 was rocky, but Season 2 has been incredible. Really enjoying their take on the villains and Gordon's POV of it all.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24th, 2016, 04:25am »

Even though the majority might disagree, I really liked the first season. The approach appeals to me way more than another origin story or another clash between superheroes. It's Batman without Batman and it works for me.

I like the seeds being sown for how we know they will turn out. We know Gordon will grow up to be one of Batman's most trusted allies. We know The Penguin doesn't have physical brawn but he can play the mobster game really well. We see Bruce still reliant on Alfred despite his strong mindset. We see these seeds of what we know will be the future, and I like it.

Sure, some things did kind of bother me. Selina's alliance with Fish Mooney, Barbara Kean's complete and utter dependence on Jim Gordon for safety and sanity, and some silly character decisions for example, but overall I was sad to see this first season end. Give me the second season already, Netflix.
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