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« Thread started on: May 29th, 2016, 3:12pm »

Has anybody else seen this? I was aware of it's existence, and that was about the extent of my knowledge of it. I saw it free on Amazon Prime UK, so thought I'd give it a go. I've only done the first two episodes so far, so this is an initial impression.


General Thoughts

  • It's a children's TV show, so I'm not going to be too hard on the animation for something like this, but it really is pretty awful. Part of that is the horrible art style. But the big issue that bothers me is clearly down to a budget/time issue, and it is a severe lack of detail. I don't think I have seen a single civilian character, the streets of Gotham are empty and devoid of all life. It is really quite off-putting how empty the show feels.

  • Batman looks terrible, horrible design.

  • Weirdly, for a children's programme, they've put a bit of depth and character into Batman, he has layers and a personality. Again, this is a children's show, it's hardly high art, but sadly I have seen more depth in the characterisation of Batman in two episodes of this than in pretty much all of the DC Animated Originals. And dare I say it, there actually seems to be more personality than Bale's flat performance and lacklustre scripts. All in all, very impressive, considering the age of the target audience, and a very welcome and pleasant surprise.

  • Alfred fucking SUCKS! You can probably tell, this is a big issue. In fact it is so bad I can very well seeing it being a dealbreaker for many people. I only watched the second episode on a moment's whim because of this issue, I expected never to touch it again I was in such disgust. I said in the BvS review I don't like the modern interpretation of Alfred being a tough military type, rather than the intelligent and caring gentleman of old. This portrayal of an outright goon is frankly offensive. There is not a single redeeming feature about this portrayal of Alfred whatsoever. His art design sucks, his voice sucks, his horrible personality sucks. It is so bad it actually makes me angry. The last time I felt this angry about something Batman related I think I was reading a Tony Daniel book! And a Tony Daniel written book is still better than this Alfred! Fuck it, City Of Crime was a better book than this Alfred. Fortunate Son was a better book than this Alfred. Batman & Robin was closer in tone to the spirit of the comics (every single character) than this Alfred. Michael Cain was a better Alfred. Adam West was a better Alfred and he didn't even play Alfred. Alfred Molina is a better Alfred just because he is called Alfred, which gives him more in common with the character than this imposter. Hell, I would be a better Alfred!

  • It appears to be a rookie Batman at the start of his career, he isn't very good (yet?). His ineptitude is rather frustrating, and of course he has to win over the trust of Gordon. I've seen it way too many times, it bores me to see it done again. But of course, children's show, this could be a first exposure to Batman for many, I hardly doubt the target audience cares one bit.

  • The music style is unlike anything I've heard in anything Batman before. They seem to make it work though, so good for them.



    Episode One
    • Professor Pyg in name and mask only is not the least bit like Professor Pyg, he is unrecognisable, and that is stupid. But, children's show, I don't actually think there is anything child friendly about Pyg! The fact that they used him (and Toad) at all is commendable.

    • Alfred fucking SUCKS!



    Episode Two
    • Barbara Gordon, you look so... Modern?

    • Magpie has been really sexed up because, children's show... Wait? What?! As someone who is often irritated by redesigns that are nothing like the source material, I have to say, this redesign actually looks better than that screaming 80s original. Very surprised to see her ass hanging out of her costume and such revealing cleavage in a children's show, but hey, whatever, it worked. Doesn't bother me.

    • Alfred fucking SUCKS!

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    I've briefly looked into opinions on this thing. There is a very rabid fanbase stating this is 'the best portrayal of Batman ever'. These people are welcome to their opinions, but they are wrong. Yes that is their opinion, but factually it is undisputedly and categorically wrong. They are so rabid they will get quite upset if anybody criticises a single aspect of the show. I'm not really sure how they got so hooked. Anyway, from what I've seen, people are welcome to enjoy it if they want to, as far as motion picture Batman goes, there is so much worse out there. But I'm not exactly going to defend it from any criticism, any problems people have with this show are perfectly valid - it all comes to how much you can overlook the issues and roll with it. Never know, you might find something to enjoy, but not Alfred, he sucks.
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    « Reply #1 on: Jun 6th, 2016, 03:29am »

    Further thoughts on Episodes 3-7

    • Anarky is all white, strange. Never stated, but is it one of those Dark Knight / White Knight things. I like how they left it as just a visual thing. Overall I'm amazed that this show has subtlety and doesn't beat you over the head with everything Nolan style.

    • Batman straight up kills Anarky (I bet that annoys the Hipsters), although Anarky survives.

    • In all honesty, Katana is pretty damn annoying.

    • Civillians exist!

    • It is doing a decent job of building a contained Continuity that is overall interesting enough to keep a veteran intrigued with where they're going with it, and likely keep the target audience hooked.

    • Alfred fucking SUCKS!


    Overall, Alfred and Katana aside, the show isn't all that bad, I'm finding a fair amount done well considering the time, budget and content restraints a children's show like this has. From further research I know Alfred and Katana being terrible has been a dealbreaker for many and they (justifiably) hate it for that, so it's sad they're so badly done when the show is pretty decent in many other areas and there is a lot of good stuff to enjoy. But then, like everything else these days, it wasn't made for us hardcore old timers, so what we think doesn't even matter. wink
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    « Reply #2 on: Jul 6th, 2016, 4:36pm »

    Not heard of this at all. Being that Alfred is my favourite character...... Alongside Gordon, I feel like I really shouldn't watch this. Is it on YouTube ? I don't have prime but might have to investigate. When was it produced?
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    « Reply #3 on: Jul 7th, 2016, 11:50am »

    A quick look at IMDB says 2013-2014, it was pretty short lived - I blame Alfred! I only found clips on Youtube, but didn't dig too deep.

    It's a risky experiment. There's a lot I think you'd really like, and I think you'd find the insufferably irritating Katana a bit less offputting than I do. But yeah, Alfred will kill it for you, you might hate what they've done to him even more than I do! Considering I think you'll like the most of the show, it's sad how much they ruin it with an Alfred so bad as to make the whole thing nearly unwatchable because of him.

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    A single further thought on where I'm up to:

    • I'm a bit surprised on the portrayal of Harvey Dent who outright hates the concept of a vigilante. I get they want to differentiate themselves from other portrayals of characters, but the hostility undermines the tragedy and emotional hit of his inevitable scarification and breakdown. It surprised me that they appear to be taking a path that erases much of depth and psychology considering the show has previously been quite impressive on that front.
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